Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
That is part of why I started this thread; I sort of doubt that the cold in eastern North America was that bad.
So you don't believe the 1985 temps? You might want to simply ask people who were alive in that region then and they will let you know. Why can't you accept these temps happened? It is what it is, and you can't wish it away by denying actual recorded temps from 1985.
Location: João Pessoa,Brazil(The easternmost point of Americas)
2,540 posts, read 2,003,768 times
Reputation: 644
Quote:
Originally Posted by tom77falcons
So you don't believe the 1985 temps? You might want to simply ask people who were alive in that region then and they will let you know. Why can't you accept these temps happened? It is what it is, and you can't wish it away by denying actual recorded temps from 1985.
I accept that,i cant see other place in the World at 33S like Atlanta that can get -12C high like 1985.
But Korea isnt bad either,Seoul got -10C/-18C this last winter,nothing bad for a Peninsula surrounded by water,temperatures like that only happens few times per century in both places.
Okay, so apparently, on February 8, 1835, Savannah, GA went all the way down to 0F, and Charleston all the way down to 1F (much colder than their modern record lows of 3F and 6F, respectively). Can anyone vouch for the legitimacy of this? I just don't think such temps were quite right (they would have killed the sabal palmettos that naturally grow in the area). https://books.google.com/books?id=34...vannah&f=false
Again, that is probably not a "wild-type", or tender southern magnolia. Instead, those photos show a more cold hardy cultivar. There is a very hardy southern magnolia cultivar, "Brackens Brown Beauty" which can take temps down to zone 6 levels.
Probably is. But it's also an area that averages lows in the low 20s and gets single digits just about every year. Gulf coast areas are about 20 degrees higher on both fronts so actual Magnolias surviving the odd cold blast is not so far fetched.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shake&Bake
And, anyways, if those record lows were really true, then this sheer biodiversity would not exist.
Do you not know how hardiness zones work? You keep mentioning them but then mention all time record low temps.
Hardiness zones are for the coldest temp annually, not all time record low. What is so difficult to understand about this? -1 100 years ago doesn't mean much if every year is getting down to only 20 degrees or whatever on average.
Okay, so apparently, on February 8, 1835, Savannah, GA went all the way down to 0F, and Charleston all the way down to 1F (much colder than their modern record lows of 3F and 6F, respectively). Can anyone vouch for the legitimacy of this? I just don't think such temps were quite right (they would have killed the sabal palmettos that naturally grow in the area). https://books.google.com/books?id=34...vannah&f=false
1835!!!!!
I'm pretty sure all the trees killed then (if any) would have grown back since then.
Countless people have told you that mature plants & trees are able to take temperatures much lower than their zone rating for short periods, so certainly "one miute" at such a temperature would not be enough to kill or even severely damage mature plants & trees. Coconut palms are very tropical, but even they have survived short dips below freezing, as low as -3C/-4C, if the cold snap is short lived many things can survive. It is only prolonged cold temperatures that do much of the damage... Also, as has been pointed out, many of those trees/plants if they were killed back then would have been replaced by others which would now be old & mature.
Weather records are cross checked & verified, these temperature records would not be stated if they were not sure they had actually happened. Just face facts the US south, even the coast, is not the subtropical paradise you wish it was
Countless people have told you that mature plants & trees are able to take temperatures much lower than their zone rating for short periods, so certainly "one miute" at such a temperature would not be enough to kill or even severely damage mature plants & trees. Coconut palms are very tropical, but even they have survived short dips below freezing, as low as -3C/-4C, if the cold snap is short lived many things can survive. It is only prolonged cold temperatures that do much of the damage... Also, as has been pointed out, many of those trees/plants if they were killed back then would have been replaced by others which would now be old & mature.
Weather records are cross checked & verified, these temperature records would not be stated if they were not sure they had actually happened. Just face facts the US south, even the coast, is not the subtropical paradise you wish it was
The poster has been banned before and is just stirring the pot.
Countless people have told you that mature plants & trees are able to take temperatures much lower than their zone rating for short periods, so certainly "one miute" at such a temperature would not be enough to kill or even severely damage mature plants & trees. Coconut palms are very tropical, but even they have survived short dips below freezing, as low as -3C/-4C, if the cold snap is short lived many things can survive. It is only prolonged cold temperatures that do much of the damage... Also, as has been pointed out, many of those trees/plants if they were killed back then would have been replaced by others which would now be old & mature.
Weather records are cross checked & verified, these temperature records would not be stated if they were not sure they had actually happened. Just face facts the US south, even the coast, is not the subtropical paradise you wish it was
Good point. The NWS will issue hard freeze advisories for this reason. It's one thing to have plants experience 31 degrees for an hour before sunrise. It's another to have below 30 for 5-6 hours. Same with these low temps.
The poster has been banned before and is just stirring the pot.
Yep he is that Houston guy that keeps claiming that the South is very warm in the winter and never sees any frost and freezes.
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.
Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
