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I'm surely naive on these field, but I really don't see many ways in which attacking a country with which we had just made a collaboration treaty and with which we had close commercial ties (we take a lot of oil from Libya) could help us
Oh jeez. You stroke some deals with Ghaddafi, because he was the dictator of Libya. Pieces of paper worth nothing if Ghaddafi is gone. And when Ghaddafi started to go nuts and kill his own people he had to go. Who the FUCK would even believe that any "treaty of friendship, partnership and cooperation" is real? And if some better one for Italy succeeds Ghaddafi, you can strike a better deal, or even make them be in debt to you, why shouldn't you do it?!
from 2001-2015, islamic attacks were rare occurences in the west, maybe 1 every second year on average. i'm pretty certain 2015-? represents a new era where terror attacks will be part of the everyday life. really sad, since half of this **** would've been preventable through common sense immigration policies.
and not just terror-attacks, but exceptional street violence incidents also.
Well, here's the thing. Young Muslims in Europe are more conservative than older Muslims. First-generation Muslims who moved to the UK in the 1960s and 1970s seem better integrated than their children and grandchildren. Maybe they are more appreciative, because they had first-hand experience in whatever sh*thole they came from, but certainly when Muslims first arrived here people weren't concerned about bombs going off. Maybe they thought 'Hmm these people are different' but not 'Hmm these people might blow me up'.
I don't think this is the new normal at all though. Cities like London have had a significant Muslim population for decades now, but only in the past 2 or 3 years have the number of attempted terrorist attacks soared through the roof. They are foiling dozens a year. One thing has changed more than anything over the past decade - and that's the rise of ISIS. Destroy ISIS and you destroy much of their following, and part of their ideology. These recent attackers are carrying out attacks in the name of ISIS specifically.
And, of course, no 'free for all' refugee policies like Merkel allowed last year. In retrospect everything can agree that was stupid.
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That'd be a dream come true. The U.S. would be better off focusing more on its wide range of internal issues, and offering local assistance to countries such as Venezuela and Haiti. But at the same time it'd be wrong to not clean up the mess you helped make (in the Middle East).
I've always had a feeling that the reason the U.S. intervenes so much in the Middle East is because of guilt.
Of course, they (armed forces, government) will never admit to that.
I was reading recently about how some cities in Scandinavia have had a lot of car fires (not just Malmo but in Copenhagen as well). It got me thinking - because we had exactly the same problem many years ago, probably worse if anything. Maybe their police forces can ask ours what we did to stop it.
Crime was pretty terrible here in the late 90s/early 00s but fell significantly after that. 1995 was actually the peak. There are areas of the city that I like going to now that I wouldn't have wanted to step foot in 15 years ago.
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I was reading recently about how some cities in Scandinavia have had a lot of car fires (not just Malmo but in Copenhagen as well). It got me thinking - because we had exactly the same problem many years ago, probably worse if anything. Maybe their police forces can ask ours what we did to stop it.
Crime was pretty terrible here in the late 90s/early 00s but fell significantly after that. 1995 was actually the peak. There are areas of the city that I like going to now that I wouldn't have wanted to step foot in 15 years ago.
Weren't the Danish torchings the doings of a few individuals who only wanted to go nuts? At least some of them were ethnic Danes just burning cars because "f*ck the system" or something?
When they rioted in France in 2005 and burnt cars, that was more like 'f*ck the system' in typical French style. These Danish/Swedish car fires just seem like random acts with no intent at all other than to maybe distract law authorities. But still, given we had over 2,000 car fires a year at one point, but now have very few, it shows these problems can be tackled effectively.
When they rioted in France in 2005 and burnt cars, that was more like 'f*ck the system' in typical French style. These Danish/Swedish car fires just seem like random acts with no intent at all other than to maybe distract law authorities.
I wonder why they don't torch cars over here. Maybe they are all FC Lahti fans and unleash their aggression in the stands.
Or is it because of "I can't handle the government without beer because frisbee golf exists" like the graffiti said?
Well, here's the thing. Young Muslims in Europe are more conservative than older Muslims. First-generation Muslims who moved to the UK in the 1960s and 1970s seem better integrated than their children and grandchildren. Maybe they are more appreciative, because they had first-hand experience in whatever sh*thole they came from, but certainly when Muslims first arrived here people weren't concerned about bombs going off. Maybe they thought 'Hmm these people are different' but not 'Hmm these people might blow me up'.
Odd; opposite of the usual for immigrants. Don't think that's true for Muslim immigrants in the US
I wonder why they don't torch cars over here. Maybe they are all FC Lahti fans and unleash their aggression in the stands.
Or is it because of "I can't handle the government without beer because frisbee golf exists" like the graffiti said?
In the UK's case we've always had more of an underclass. It's a result of our rigid class system. Social mobility here isn't very high. Social unrest isn't really unusual - we don't riot as much as the French but things can get out of hand pretty quickly. 2011 kind of shows that.
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Odd; opposite of the usual for immigrants. Don't think that's true for Muslim immigrants in the US
Yeah, it's odd. Think they have been more susceptible to radicalisation than older Muslims. Most Muslim terrorists seem rather young, no older than 30s.
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