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Old 08-16-2016, 10:51 AM
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That's not really NYC's situation.

The poor aren't really leaving NYC; the city is only slightly less poor than a decade or two ago, during the recession, the poverty rate was as high as it had been in decades. Relatively generous government benefits plus immigrants that overcrowd because the city is an easy place to get started as an immigrant due to connections of people of the same ethnic background mean the poor stay. Its the working-class / lower-middle-class that leave; especially those that want to own their own house. Some of the outer neighborhoods of NYC aren't that expensive, but they aren't that appealing to "native" whites, and they aren't that great from QOL measures, and still more expensive say, somewhere in the south. A lot of "native" blacks in the region have moved south as well, and the black population has gotten more immigrant. Seems like the radio down there is now full of Caribbean music, either black Caribbean or Spanish Caribbean.

 
Old 08-16-2016, 10:54 AM
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another San Francisco housing comment

https://twitter.com/dlin71/status/657036565336694784
 
Old 08-16-2016, 11:29 AM
 
Location: Lexington, KY
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Kentucky countryside looks like England. Probably more so than any other part of the US.
That's interesting considering how different the climates are. Eastern Kentucky is more mountainous, though.
 
Old 08-16-2016, 11:35 AM
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He's likely thinking of the rest of the state. Something like this

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Ke...!4d-84.2700179
 
Old 08-16-2016, 12:53 PM
 
Location: Leeds, UK
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That's not really NYC's situation.

The poor aren't really leaving NYC; the city is only slightly less poor than a decade or two ago, during the recession, the poverty rate was as high as it had been in decades. Relatively generous government benefits plus immigrants that overcrowd because the city is an easy place to get started as an immigrant due to connections of people of the same ethnic background mean the poor stay. Its the working-class / lower-middle-class that leave; especially those that want to own their own house. Some of the outer neighborhoods of NYC aren't that expensive, but they aren't that appealing to "native" whites, and they aren't that great from QOL measures, and still more expensive say, somewhere in the south. A lot of "native" blacks in the region have moved south as well, and the black population has gotten more immigrant. Seems like the radio down there is now full of Caribbean music, either black Caribbean or Spanish Caribbean.
The poor aren't necessarily leaving London by choice, they're being moved against their will to places they have no familiarity with.

Many working class/lower middle class people leave London too, though not as much, and mostly they do that when they have kids because they might see a suburban lifestyle as better for their children.
 
Old 08-16-2016, 01:19 PM
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Location: Surrey/London
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He's likely thinking of the rest of the state. Something like this

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Ke...!4d-84.2700179
I was thinking of the areas just east of Lexington.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Ke...700179!6m1!1e1

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Ke...700179!6m1!1e1
 
Old 08-16-2016, 01:52 PM
 
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Thats funny and very true. the taxes in new jersey are insane especially in regards to real estate taxes. some states like texas and new hampshire have high property taxes to offset lower taxes elsewhere but new jerseys taxes are high all around .it is not surprising two of the largest states for high outmigration like illinois and new jersey have very high tax rates

I dont think alot of the places in north carolina were that affordable, my mother was taking a job in chapel hill at the university and median home prices are over 400,000 and anything really inside chapel hill is well over 800,000- million dollars. Alot of mountain areas around asheville and blowing were very expensive too , I am sure the coast is even worse. just have to find the places that havent become too hip and popular
 
Old 08-16-2016, 02:13 PM
 
Location: Leeds, UK
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High taxes are good when they are used effectively. In most European countries, people don't mind paying high taxes because they can see where their tax money is being spent, on universal healthcare, transport and other things.
 
Old 08-16-2016, 04:16 PM
 
Location: Lizard Lick, NC
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Thats funny and very true. the taxes in new jersey are insane especially in regards to real estate taxes. some states like texas and new hampshire have high property taxes to offset lower taxes elsewhere but new jerseys taxes are high all around .it is not surprising two of the largest states for high outmigration like illinois and new jersey have very high tax rates

I dont think alot of the places in north carolina were that affordable, my mother was taking a job in chapel hill at the university and median home prices are over 400,000 and anything really inside chapel hill is well over 800,000- million dollars. Alot of mountain areas around asheville and blowing were very expensive too , I am sure the coast is even worse. just have to find the places that havent become too hip and popular
You know what chapel Hill and Asheville have in common? They are both liberal enclaves, you can get a house with 2100 square footage here for 160-170k, that is the size of the house alone without the land. You can get a 3 story house with lots of land for as cheap as 350k. The area is cheap overall. Land out here is cheap too might have to buy some soon.
 
Old 08-16-2016, 04:23 PM
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You know what chapel Hill and Asheville have in common? They are both liberal enclaves, you can get a house with 2100 square footage here for 160-170k, that is the size of the house alone without the land. You can get a 3 story house with lots of land for as cheap as 350k. The area is cheap overall. Land out here is cheap too might have to buy some soon.
Ignoring politics, a better explanation is that both are cities where's a high demand, either because lots want to live near the university (or university related jobs) or near the Asheville has a reputation for being a "fun city" to some.
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