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Did I claim it can grow in central NC unprotected any where? What was it doing? Growing but with protection. Obviously it doesn't belong in central nc.
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There was one guy growing and protecting one in central NC many years ago. 15 is not too optimistic for queen palms.
You were using that one as example that they can take colder temperatures, which isn't the case. If you need to protect it then it isn't hardy there is it...
The good thing about Queen palms is that they are very fast growing, (& cheap), so they will get to a good size in those parts of the US south that get killer freezes every several years or so. If they die, just replace...
You were using that one as example that they can take colder temperatures, which isn't the case. If you need to protect it then it isn't hardy there is it...
The good thing about Queen palms is that they are very fast growing, (& cheap), so they will get to a good size in those parts of the US south that get killer freezes every several years or so. If they die, just replace...
My point was they were growing in a colder point without the need to be boxed up completely like other palms. Of course they would have been protected many nights in winter extensively though.
I thought they were less cold tolerant than that, maybe around 18-19F.
You might be right. That is roughly the coldest the Savannah area has gotten within the last 10 years. I was going through some old images and found this:
Areas on land (including islands) were in the teens, but stations very close (within feet) to water/marshes were in the 20-22 F range.
Man, I really wish I had screencapped the Charleston area on the mornings of Jan 7, 2014 and Feb 20, 2015 so I could compare. I'm not sure what their area's overall coldest night of the last decade looks like.
Charleston may be warm, but Houston, New Orleans, and Jacksonville are in a league of their own. All 3 are at the high end of 9a/bordering 9b while Charleston is 8b/9a.
Charleston may be warm, but Houston, New Orleans, and Jacksonville are in a league of their own. All 3 are at the high end of 9a/bordering 9b while Charleston is 8b/9a.
What the hell do Houston, new Orleans, and Jacksonville have to do with any of this. Cold Epoch Troll. Charleston is 9a transitioning to 8b as you head inland.
Charleston may be warm, but Houston, New Orleans, and Jacksonville are in a league of their own. All 3 are at the high end of 9a/bordering 9b while Charleston is 8b/9a.
What the hell do Houston, new Orleans, and Jacksonville have to do with any of this. Cold Epoch Troll. Charleston is 9a transitioning to 8b as you head inland.
To be fair, the OP was talking about how peninsular Charleston was supposedly as warm or warmer than those cities. Slightly misguided, considering that all three cities, as of latest climate trends, have yearly min minimums just short of zone 10A.
Charleston may be warm, but Houston, New Orleans, and Jacksonville are in a league of their own. All 3 are at the high end of 9a/bordering 9b while Charleston is 8b/9a.
I agree for the most part; initially, this is what I exactly thought as well. Then I started comparing the data from Wikipedia and according to those numbers, downtown Charleston is marginally warmer. Heck, look at the data set for North Charleston Airport, which is just above the "neck" or peninsula of Charleston. Wildly different temperatures and they're only several miles apart, maybe a little more. I'm sure there are plenty of microclimate areas in Jacksonville, N.O. and Houston that beats Charleston's downtown temperatures hands down, but by looking at these datasets I was pretty amazed. And the proof is not only in the numbers; drive down to downtown Charleston and see what I mean. I can't wait to travel there in the winter time to see what fall foliage, or lack thereof, there is.
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This Wilmington couple grows queen palms. I'm sure they protected them during 2014 and 2015 though.
If they have an excellent and I mean excellent microclimate, sure it's doable without protection MOST years. I saw the article mentioning King Palms as well... Geesh, they're really pushing it with that. What are King palms cold hardy to, mid 20's at best?
To be fair, the OP was talking about how peninsular Charleston was supposedly as warm or warmer than those cities. Slightly misguided, considering that all three cities, as of latest climate trends, have yearly min minimums just short of zone 10A.
I averaged all of the minimum temperatures from this data set for Charleston since 1991 and it came out to 28.6 degrees (If someone wants to double check my math, feel free to). Right inline with Houston, N.O. and Jacksonville.
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