What is the farthest-inland oceanic climate? (precipitation, world, America, compare)

[Steelernation71]

Originally Posted by FirebirdCamaro1220

Well, I define cold by the scientific definition, which is lack of warmth.

I am neither trolling nor stupid. And winter is the biggest shaper of a climates vegetation. Take where you live for example, if Miami's averages were 5°F colder in winter and 5°F hotter in summer, it would be an entirely different landscape, and all the coconut palms and other tropicals down there probably wouldn't exist due to winter being to cold.

And Death Valley, CA has the same annual mean as Miami give or take, but even with irigation, you couldn't get a tropical to grow in Death Valley, those 65/37 avgs in Jan are too cold, despite 115/88 normals in July.

I rest my case

This makes no sense. You're saying that you define cold by lack of warmth, but you aren't, you're defining it by vegetation. That's not what determines whether a climate is colder or warmer than another. It's by temperature.

Cold:
Defined as a temperature limiting the growth of vegetation WRONG

[FirebirdCamaro1220]

Originally Posted by Steelernation71

This makes no sense. You're saying that you define cold by lack of warmth, but you aren't, you're defining it by vegetation. That's not what determines whether a climate is colder or warmer than another. It's by temperature.

Cold:
Defined as a temperature limiting the growth of vegetation WRONG

In science class WAY back in high school, we were told you could only measure heat, and that cold was a lack of heat, i.e. cold is less warmth

And yes, I happen to think a climate that can grow palm trees and citrus is warmer than one that can't due to winter cold

For example, I once again go to my Dallas vs Downtown Los Angeles example. Citrus and Palms can grow in LA thanks to a warm winter, where the brutal cold blasts that Dallas gets in the winter along with colder winter normals make it a colder 'feeling' climate if not actually colder. The typical coldest day of the year in LA is warmer than an average January day in Dallas, yet because Dallas annual mean is 1.6°F higher, you want to call Dallas warmer, despite the fact that Dallas gets snow, ice, frosts and freezes in the winter, things that never happen in Los Angeles

[deneb78]

Originally Posted by FirebirdCamaro1220

You and I are normally in agreement...

What is your take on my Dallas vs Los Angeles downtown example, wouldn't you admit due to the much warmer winter, with no snow, no ice, no freezes that downtown Los Angeles is overall warmer than Dallas despite an annual average 1.6°F lower?

Dallas is a bit warmer year round but downtown LA has warmer and more stable winters which allows them to grow more tender subtropicals but let me give you a more stark example.
Which is the warmer climate to you, Dallas, TX or Scilly Isles, UK. Scilly Isles is hardiness zone 10A vs. 8A for Dallas and Scilly Isles can grow many more species of palms and subtropicals compared to Dallas but which one to you overall is the warmer climate? I know which one I would pick for overall warmth.. and it's not located across the pond

[FirebirdCamaro1220]

Originally Posted by deneb78

Dallas is a bit warmer year round but downtown LA has warmer and more stable winters which allows them to grow more tender subtropicals but let me give you a more stark example.
Which is the warmer climate to you, Dallas, TX or Scilly Isles, UK. Scilly Isles is hardiness zone 10A vs. 8A for Dallas and Scilly Isles can grow many more species of palms and subtropicals compared to Dallas but which one to you overall is the warmer climate? I know which one I would pick for overall warmth.. and it's not located across the pond

Except in this instance, the annual averages are far apart, where I am comparing places that have very close annual avgs (65.5 LA to 67.1 Dallas)

[Ariete]

London and Brest are USDA 9, Copenhagen 7, Bucharest is 6. If I'd start a vineyard I'd still choose Bucharest.

[alex985]

The fact that you keep defending your nonsense logic is rather shocking.

[FirebirdCamaro1220]

Originally Posted by alex985

The fact that you keep defending your nonsense logic is rather shocking.

I just can't call a place that gets cold in the winter "warmer" than a place that doesn't... It doesn't feel right

Again, it might just be my opinion, but two places with similar annual averages, but one has a warmer winter/cooler summer than the other, I will consider that the tie breaker due to the lack of cold in the one with the narrower range

It may be my bias against any type of a "real winter"/"palm tree preference", but that is my opinion

[Ariete]

Originally Posted by FirebirdCamaro1220

I just can't call a place that gets cold in the winter "warmer" than a place that doesn't... It doesn't feel right

Again, it might just be my opinion, but two places with similar annual averages, but one has a warmer winter/cooler summer than the other, I will consider that the tie breaker due to the lack of cold in the one with the narrower range

It may be my bias against any type of a "real winter"/"palm tree preference", but that is my opinion

Reykjavík Iceland and Tampere Finland have the same annual mean. Tampere has a higher mean temp from May to October. April is roughly the same. You're a farmer. Which location should you choose when you grow wheat, strawberries and apples?

[alex985]

Originally Posted by Ariete

Reykjavík Iceland and Tampere Finland have the same annual mean. Tampere has a higher mean temp from May to October. April is roughly the same. You're a farmer. Which location should you choose when you grow wheat, strawberries and apples?

Obviously Reykjavik since it's a warmer climate. Winter is the only season that exists right?

[Ariete]

Originally Posted by alex985

Obviously Reykjavik since it's a warmer climate. Winter is the only season that exists right?

Obviously. Never mind that you will never get enough growing-degree days to grow any of those plants in Reyjkavík.