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View Poll Results: Rate the climate: Gap, France
A 4 10.53%
B 10 26.32%
C 14 36.84%
D 8 21.05%
E 1 2.63%
F 1 2.63%
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Old 11-26-2016, 04:05 AM
 
Location: 64'N Umeå, Sweden - The least bad Dfc
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Let's just call it the humid homeless climate then?
I think it's weird that Cwb/Cwc means subtropical highland instead of oceanic (subarctic) with winter dryness. Why isnt Subtropical highland Chb/Chc or Cxxh? Either way, this climate has a Climate (subtropical highland), which I don't think needs to or can be argued with.
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Old 11-26-2016, 04:16 AM
 
Location: Finland
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There is absolutely no chance that Gap gets 3000 hours of sun annually.

French wikipedia says 2500 hours for Gap, and no source listed there either.

Grenoble, just a stone throw away gets 2050 hours.
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Old 11-26-2016, 04:23 AM
 
Location: 64'N Umeå, Sweden - The least bad Dfc
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There is absolutely no chance that Gap gets 3000 hours of sun annually.

French wikipedia says 2500 hours for Gap, and no source listed there either.

Grenoble, just a stone throw away gets 2050 hours.
On Solargis' map there is a big difference between the two locations, and the Gap area has even more solar radiation than the Nice/Marsielle area.
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Old 11-26-2016, 04:27 AM
 
Location: Finland
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On Solargis' map there is a big difference between the two locations, and the Gap area has the same amount of radiation as the Nice area.
Because it sits at elevation.
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Old 11-26-2016, 05:15 AM
 
Location: 64'N Umeå, Sweden - The least bad Dfc
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Because it sits at elevation.
600m is not going to raise the radiation that substantially. Nice has comparable sunshine hours to Gap according to the English wiki, and considering Gap actually has considerably more sunshine radiation according to Solargis, I don't think it's farfetched to assume they've got comparable sunshine hours. Valley climates do tend to have more sunshine too.

Grenoble seems to belong more to the central part of France geographically speaking with the mountains to the south whereas Gap belongs more to the mediterranean part with mountains to the north (which Solargis' sunshine map indicates as well). It makes sense that Gap gets much more sunshine.
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Old 11-26-2016, 05:55 AM
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Location: Ontario
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600m is not going to raise the radiation that substantially. Nice has comparable sunshine hours to Gap according to the English wiki, and considering Gap actually has considerably more sunshine radiation according to Solargis, I don't think it's farfetched to assume they've got comparable sunshine hours. Valley climates do tend to have more sunshine too.

Grenoble seems to belong more to the central part of France geographically speaking with the mountains to the south whereas Gap belongs more to the mediterranean part with mountains to the north (which Solargis' sunshine map indicates as well). It makes sense that Gap gets much more sunshine.
Gap, France elevation is not that high.

By western USA standards it would be considered "low" elevation,
there are entire western US states where their lowest elevation is higher!

Gap does have an interesting climate.

It's like my climate but with warmer winter highs and much cooler summer lows,
Gap mean annual temp is 9.8C....it's 9.4C for Toronto,
9.9C for Windsor airport and 9.1C where I live in Burlington.
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Old 11-26-2016, 06:57 AM
 
Location: 64'N Umeå, Sweden - The least bad Dfc
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Gap, France elevation is not that high.

By western USA standards it would be considered "low" elevation,
there are entire western US states where their lowest elevation is higher!

Gap does have an interesting climate.

It's like my climate but with warmer winter highs and much cooler summer lows,
Gap mean annual temp is 9.8C....it's 9.4C for Toronto,
9.9C for Windsor airport and 9.1C where I live in Burlington.
Also, the dew points are probably only about 12'C in the summer making summers much more comfortable than Ontario's and the US' east coast.
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Old 11-27-2016, 11:12 PM
 
Location: Shrewsbury UK
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600m is not going to raise the radiation that substantially. Nice has comparable sunshine hours to Gap according to the English wiki, and considering Gap actually has considerably more sunshine radiation according to Solargis, I don't think it's farfetched to assume they've got comparable sunshine hours. Valley climates do tend to have more sunshine too.

Grenoble seems to belong more to the central part of France geographically speaking with the mountains to the south whereas Gap belongs more to the mediterranean part with mountains to the north (which Solargis' sunshine map indicates as well). It makes sense that Gap gets much more sunshine.
Grenoble- fog, fog, fog. That's my enduring memory of a few days there in winter.

If Gap is outside that particular microclimate, I can well believe it's sunnier, though 2900 hours seems very high for inland Europe. The Wiki article suggests it actually benefits from the mountains breaking up cloud, so perhaps it has its own sunny microclimate. But 2500 is impressive enough, combined with the fact no month is very wet it squeezes a B from me.
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Old 11-28-2016, 04:01 AM
 
Location: Bologna, Italy
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2500 hours seems more legit, kinda similar to the southern Rhone Valley.

The southern side of the Alps is substantially sunnier than the northern part, and it shows in the vegetation. It would be interesting to study the climates of the area like Digne, Briançon, etc. Not sure how many weather stations there are in the region.
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Old 11-28-2016, 06:07 AM
 
Location: 64'N Umeå, Sweden - The least bad Dfc
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2500 hours seems more legit, kinda similar to the southern Rhone Valley.

The southern side of the Alps is substantially sunnier than the northern part, and it shows in the vegetation. It would be interesting to study the climates of the area like Digne, Briançon, etc. Not sure how many weather stations there are in the region.
I still don't get why it's so hard to believe that the place gets similar sunshine levels as the coast? I mean it is situated in a valley 600-800m above the sea, and highland valleys sometimes get considerably more sunshine than than the ground levels. According to Solargis, Gap should get 2800h and above just as Marseille. And it would make sense considering a lot of clouds get caught in the surrounding mountains, and the clouds that do reach Gap will probably precipitate orographically. This means the precipitation per cloudiness should be higher, so if the precipitation amount is the same, there should be less clouds and more sun. That's my theory at least.

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