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Texas is a battleground between warm Gulf of Mexico water air and cold Canadian prairie air from the Yukon. It is probably one of the most bipolar states in the US in winter.
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Look at day 24.
24.6/-3.8C.
He's talking about back to back high temps, not the high followed by the low. Show me an area in South America that had a high of 26 C one day and a high of like 2 C the next.
Of course the native plants can put up with the cold: the species that cannot put up with the cold are killed off by natural selection. And of course palms are not meant to be there: the cold outbreaks are just too severe.
Here's Renmark, South Australia, similar latidude to Lawton, Oklahoma.
Not true, quite a few species can take the cold and swings: sabals, trachycarpus, med fan palms, etc. In fact, Mexican sabal palms used to line rivers in Central Texas, before being killed off by explorers.
Washingtonia are becoming wild and free in Houston, growing through freeway cracks.
Of course the native plants can put up with the cold: the species that cannot put up with the cold are killed off by natural selection. And of course palms are not meant to be there: the cold outbreaks are just too severe.
Here's Renmark, South Australia, similar latidude to Lawton, Oklahoma.
There are plenty of palms in Dallas and Austin that do fine. Not all palms are super tender. The ones in your picture are Queens I believe, which can only survive Temps as low as about 16 from what I hear. They would be roasted in Dallas but can put up with Austin winters I would guess until a very exceptional arctic blast goes through
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Of course the native plants can put up with the cold: the species that cannot put up with the cold are killed off by natural selection. And of course palms are not meant to be there: the cold outbreaks are just too severe.
Here's Renmark, South Australia, similar latidude to Lawton, Oklahoma.
Please,you cant compare with Australia,everybody knows that the winters there is mild,and depeding of what palm we are talking about,they can hold some cold.
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He's talking about back to back high temps, not the high followed by the low. Show me an area in South America that had a high of 26 C one day and a high of like 2 C the next.
I tried but didnt found any,temperatures in Southern South America didnt fall so quickly,there are always some days with highs descreasing until reach the coldest point then increase again,not like Southern US.
I live in Austin. Yesterday the temperature at my house reached 80 degrees with a dewpoint of 70. I was in shorts, t-shirt, and sandals doing yardwork and still managed to work up a sweat.
Today it is past 11 AM and the temp sits at 28. It may not get above freezing today. The wind is blowing at 15-25 MPH so it is very cold out there.
Southern winters have got to have the worst day to day swings of any place on the planet. By the way, it is supposed to warm back to the upper 60's to near 70 by Wednesday.
It's been like this for as long as I can remember. Twice a year the weather in the south does this.
I don't get why everyone is hating on the climate of the southern US on this forum. It's on the east side of a huge landmass so it's gonna be pretty variable in weather. And besides, there are palm trees on the same latitude as Renmark, such as these in North Carolina: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...h_Carolina.JPG
Of course Oklahoma hundreds of miles inland isn't gonna be able to have palm trees on such a huge continent.
I don't get why everyone is hating on the climate of the southern US on this forum. It's on the east side of a huge landmass so it's gonna be pretty variable in weather. And besides, there are palm trees on the same latitude as Renmark, such as these in North Carolina: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...h_Carolina.JPG
Of course Oklahoma hundreds of miles inland isn't gonna be able to have palm trees on such a huge continent.
Nowata, OK recorded a low temperature of -31F in February 2011. It can get cold there despite the very low latitude.
There are plenty of palms in Dallas and Austin that do fine. Not all palms are super tender. The ones in your picture are Queens I believe, which can only survive Temps as low as about 16 from what I hear. They would be roasted in Dallas but can put up with Austin winters I would guess until a very exceptional arctic blast goes through
Queen Palms are hardy to 20°F but start to suffer below 25°F. Mean yearly minimum in Austin is 22°F so I'm sure it would be a struggle to keep them going for a few years before inevitable defeat. If you can show me block after block of Queen Palms growing unprotected in Austin I could be convinced otherwise.
And remember: the photo I showed was a similar latidude to Lawton, Oklahoma, not Austin.
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