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Old 02-02-2017, 09:21 AM
 
Location: João Pessoa,Brazil(The easternmost point of Americas)
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This cold blob on Western North America coast had some impact this winter?
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Old 02-02-2017, 09:30 AM
 
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This cold blob on Western North America coast had some impact this winter?


Seemed that it cooled the PNW, and drove the jet right into California (lots of rain).
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Old 02-02-2017, 12:34 PM
 
Location: Live:Downtown Phoenix, AZ/Work:Greater Los Angeles, CA
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Seemed that it cooled the PNW, and drove the jet right into California (lots of rain).
This January was a lot like February of 2005 here, quite cloudy and rainy with warmer (than normal) mornings but cool afternoons
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Old 02-02-2017, 12:51 PM
 
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This January was a lot like February of 2005 here, quite cloudy and rainy with warmer (than normal) mornings but cool afternoons
As long as late March warms up. I'll be in Phoenix and Vegas for spring break
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Old 02-02-2017, 01:05 PM
 
Location: Live:Downtown Phoenix, AZ/Work:Greater Los Angeles, CA
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As long as late March warms up. I'll be in Phoenix and Vegas for spring break
Don't know what the models are showing, but it's looking like it's going to be a warmer than normal February here. If it repeats last year, then March will be warm as well. With normals here going from 74°/50°F(23.3°/10°C) up to 81°/57°F(27.2°/13.9°C) in March and normals in Las Vegas going from 66°/44°F(18.9°/6.7°C) up to 74°/51°F(23.3°/10.6°C) in March, odds are you are in for what would be May or June like weather in Chicago, but with less humidity and more sun
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Old 02-02-2017, 01:24 PM
 
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Don't know what the models are showing, but it's looking like it's going to be a warmer than normal February here. If it repeats last year, then March will be warm as well. With normals here going from 74°/50°F(23.3°/10°C) up to 81°/57°F(27.2°/13.9°C) in March and normals in Las Vegas going from 66°/44°F(18.9°/6.7°C) up to 74°/51°F(23.3°/10.6°C) in March, odds are you are in for what would be May or June like weather in Chicago, but with less humidity and more sun
I was in Phoenix a couple years ago in late March/early April in it was 95F
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Old 02-02-2017, 01:52 PM
 
Location: Live:Downtown Phoenix, AZ/Work:Greater Los Angeles, CA
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I was in Phoenix a couple years ago in late March/early April in it was 95F
Mid 90's is record Highs in March, some years we don't have our first 90 until April. Our normal high doesn't hit 95°F/35°C until May 14th
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Old 02-03-2017, 03:42 AM
 
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Mid 90's is record Highs in March, some years we don't have our first 90 until April. Our normal high doesn't hit 95°F/35°C until May 14th
It was record breaking. I just lucked out
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Old 02-04-2017, 04:34 AM
 
Location: Near the Coast SWCT
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Nice discussion I missed.. Posting whole thing but highlighting 2 things at beginning and end...

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It looks like La Niña is on her way out, and neutral conditions are expected to take over by next month. While she’s still hanging around, let’s take a tour around the world in 80 lines (or so).

Starting right in the middle of things

The engine of ENSO (El Niño/Southern Oscillation, the whole El Niño & La Niña cycle) is the temperature of the ocean surface in the equatorial central and eastern Pacific. Since late summer 2016, the Niño3.4 region has been cooler than the long-term average. December was -0.72°C below average, a slight uptick relative to the month before.

Nino3.4 index

Monthly sea surface temperature in the Niño 3.4 region of the tropical Pacific compared to the long-term average for all years starting off from moderate-to-strong El Niño since 1950, showing how 2016 (blue line) compares to other events. Climate.gov graph based on ERSSTv4 temperature data.


As I’m sure you’ll recall, we assess ENSO on seasonal timescales, meaning the average over several months. The average for the October – December period was -0.8°C, so we now have four successive three-month periods with an average cooler than the La Niña threshold of -0.5°C. Five successive seasons are required to officially qualify as a La Niña event. Forecasters are confident that the November – January period will qualify as continuing the La Niña, but predict that the next period, December – February, will be warmer, and likely end up in neutral territory (between -0.5°C and +0.5°C).

Nearly all of our computer models forecast this upward trend in the sea surface temperatures, giving confidence to the prediction that our weak La Niña is nearing its end. The store of cooler-than-average water below the surface has dissipated, too.

There were still consistent signs in December of a weak atmospheric response to the cooler equatorial ocean, with reduced cloudiness and rain over the tropical central Pacific, and more over Indonesia. La Niña conditions mean the wind circulation in the tropical Pacific (east-to-west in the lower atmosphere, and west-to-east in the upper atmosphere) is stronger than average, an effect we also saw during December.

Farther abroad

Taking a look at the global ocean map, you can see the small patch of cooler waters that is powering our La Niña is still embedded in a very warm (compared to average) Pacific Ocean. To the north, you can see a horseshoe pattern that resembles the positive phase of the Pacific Decadal Oscillation (PDO). Because ENSO can impact sea surface temperatures across the North Pacific Ocean, a positive (warm phase) PDO during La Niña is less common than a negative (cold phase) PDO during La Niña (though, during August-October 2016, the PDO was slightly negative).


Sea surface temperature

Average sea surface temperature during October – December 2016, shown as departure from the long-term (1981-2010) average. Climate.gov figure from CPC data.


Has this La Niña affected global weather and climate over the past few months? It’s very tough to point to any one weather or climate event and say “that was due to La Niña!” (In our business, the process of identifying the causes of certain events is called attribution.) There are a lot of different, complex things going on in the atmosphere at any one time, interacting and affecting each other. It’s like trying to identify exactly which sneeze is due to the head cold you have, or to a random bit of dust floating through the air.

However, we can look at overall patterns and get a lot of information. If you’re sneezing a lot more than average, that pattern is probably due to the head cold. Likewise, we have expected outcomes during El Niño and La Niña, and we can look at the global maps to see how much the observed patterns resembled the expected.

While the peak season of global ENSO impacts in the U.S. is the Northern Hemisphere winter, the late fall has some expected precipitation and temperature impacts, too. (You’ll need to mentally swap the colors on the maps at those links, as they show the expected relationships for El Niño. The La Niña relationships are mainly the opposite.)


OND 2016 precip

October – December 2016 rain and snow patterns, shown as the difference from the long-term mean. Climate.gov figure from CPC data.


This past October – December’s precipitation over North America looked quite a lot like the expected La Niña effect: drier over Alaska’s southern coast and panhandle, wet in the Pacific Northwest, and drier than average across much of the Southeast.

One fairly reliable La Niña impact is dry conditions through Uganda, Kenya, Tanzania, Malawi, Mozambique, and Madagascar, and this region was, in fact, dry during October – December. I chatted with staff at the Climate Prediction Center’s Africa Desk, and they told me this rainfall deficit has resulted in degraded ground conditions across many areas of these countries. (Check out their briefing for more.)


OND 2016 temperature


October – December 2016 surface temperature patterns, shown as the difference from the long-term mean. Climate.gov figure from CPC data.


Most maps of global temperatures are warmer than average these days, as temperatures trend upwards with global warming. Of course, it’s not warmer everywhere, all the time, because of all that complexity I mentioned earlier. The October – December 2016 temperature map has a lot of warmer-than-average colors, with some colder areas over northern Asia.

ENSO relationships with temperature are not as strong as they are with precipitation, especially during the fall. Northern Asia can be warmer than average during La Niña—opposite of what was observed this past fall—but this is a weak relationship, easily overwhelmed by other climate variability. Another La Niña tendency is a continental pattern over North America of cooler northwest/warmer south. This showed up a bit, with the northwest being not actually cool, but somewhat less warmer-than-average. Hey, it’s a warm world.

One last thing

You may have noticed that some of the long-range computer model forecasts appear to be wandering back up into El Niño territory for the second half of this year. We’re not placing a lot of confidence in these forecasts and are favoring ENSO-neutral (~50% chance during August-October 2017), but the remaining odds are not evenly split: we are tilting the odds toward El Niño (~35% chance) over La Niña (15% chance). Forecasts of ENSO made in the winter and early spring have historically not been very skillful (the “spring predictability barrier”). Also, there are no strong signs right now giving us a good picture of what the summer and fall will look like.

A three-year series of El Niño/La Niña/El Niño has only happened once since 1950, in 1963/1964/1965. This doesn’t make it impossible that El Niño could develop, but it means that we aren’t counting on it.

One thing you can count on is that we’ll be watching all the ENSO indicators, and keeping you posted on all things ENSO!

So only ONCE since 1950 we went from El Nino to La Nina to El Nino in 3 yrs time.
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Old 02-05-2017, 10:47 AM
 
Location: Lizard Lick, NC
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Getting crazy here, mjo going to get strong which is a precursor to ninos.... man oh man. Another strong Nino on the way lol?

Already a Nino look off the south American coast, though PDO looks like it's going negative?

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