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View Poll Results: Which is more subtropical?
NYC 7 29.17%
Jōetsu 17 70.83%
Voters: 24. You may not vote on this poll

 
 
Old 01-13-2017, 03:54 AM
 
Location: Washington
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New York City or Joetsu: Which of these climates would you consider to be a better representation of a subtropical climate?

Case for NYC: Less snow, less snowy days
Case for Jōetsu: Higher record lows, higher mean minimums in winter (it appears), higher average temperature in winter

Normally people discuss plants regarding subtropical climates but I don't think either of these climates supports particularly subtropical looking plants year round, unless someone knows otherwise. There definitely aren't any outside in my neighborhood.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City#Climate


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J%C5%8...iigata#Climate


The forecast for Jōetsu certainly doesn't look very subtropical :

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Old 01-13-2017, 05:23 AM
 
Location: 64'N Umeå, Sweden - The least bad Dfc
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That must be the highest winter mean temp for a city with a permanent snow cover. I vote for New York.
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Old 01-13-2017, 05:57 AM
 
Location: Rochester, NY
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There's no "more" or "less" subtropical. Either it's subtropical or it isn't.

NYC is very borderline, averaging 0.3 C in January. I would place it right on the boundary of subtropical vs not on the east coast.

Joetsu would normally be easily subtropical but with 630 cm of snow, 2.5X the amount of very snowy Rochester, I would disqualify it. Maybe with a mean of 4-5 C in January but at 2C and 630 cm, that's a no go.

I'll vote New York.
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Old 01-13-2017, 06:01 AM
 
Location: Munich, Germany
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I would classify none of them subtropical, but i voted Joetsu for being the warmer climate and having significant milder record lows.
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Old 01-13-2017, 06:09 AM
 
Location: Washington County, PA
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That is an insane amount of snow for how warm the winters are there.
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Old 01-13-2017, 06:13 AM
 
Location: Sydney, Australia
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Joetsu for the warmer winters, despite the heavier snow.

The most coldest places in the world (such as those in Central Asia and Russia) can get very little snow and have subfreezing highs. I wouldn't use snow to determine which place is less or more subtropical.
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Old 01-13-2017, 06:30 AM
 
Location: SE UK
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Neither are sub-tropical.
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Old 01-13-2017, 07:47 AM
 
Location: Washington County, PA
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Neither are sub-tropical.
The entire east coast of the US is technically subtropical, even up to and past Boston. However, I don't think it's truly subtropical like Charlotte or DC, and it's definitely not continental (cold winters and cooler summers) like the interior Northeast either (ex Pittsburgh, Buffalo).

I call it continental transitional
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Old 01-13-2017, 07:48 AM
 
Location: Serres, Greece
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It was very difficult for me to choose. I love precipitation in Joetsu, I love its snow but NYC is preferable for me. NYC is more bearable.
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Old 01-13-2017, 08:12 AM
 
Location: New York
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Joetsu being slightly warmer makes it is slightly more subtropical in my book. Snowfall is irrelevant in this case.

Although, I will say that NYC's sunnier, drier, and far less snowy winters would likely make it feel milder than Joetsu. So maybe it better represents the term "subtropical"....idk.
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