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Old 06-13-2017, 10:20 AM
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United States has a ridiculous amount of money for a country of its size. I don't get why it's so behind Europe when it comes to basics like healthcare and universities. US is like a first world country that thinks it's a third world country sometimes
University and healthcare in the US is unusually expensive for some reason; not sure if it's inefficiency or high labor costs. Or both

 
Old 06-13-2017, 10:24 AM
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University and healthcare in the US is unusually expensive for some reason; not sure if it's inefficiency or high labor costs. Or both
Healthcare in the US is extremely inefficient with all the insurance companies and middle-men.

Private health insurance here is far cheaper than in the US, as we also have the NHS.

I do find it funny how in the P&OC forum, they go on about 'death panels' in universal health care systems (which don't exist), yet your private system is probably more likely to have such a thing, with insurance companies trying to save money wherever possible, and not covering certain conditions.
 
Old 06-13-2017, 10:36 AM
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Healthcare in the US is extremely inefficient with all the insurance companies and middle-men.

Private health insurance here is far cheaper than in the US, as we also have the NHS.

I do find it funny how in the P&OC forum, they go on about 'death panels' in universal health care systems (which don't exist), yet your private system is probably more likely to have such a thing, with insurance companies trying to save money wherever possible, and not covering certain conditions.
Some private insurance companies are probably more generous than your NHS, others less. Of course, the former ones are expensive to provide. The "death panels" is absurd, but some would get cost controls in a switch-over to universal health care.

Bernie Sanders and Ted Cruz had a televised debate on health care a few months ago. Ted Cruz kept saying: government health care = less care, socialism and rationed. Wonder how much people other than true believers still believe that propoganda. Quote by Cruz on the NHS:

So let's talk about, for example, a couple of stories from the United Kingdom. In Glasgow, Scotland, the Queen Elizabeth University Hospital was so overburdened this past January, it turned away three women who were in labor because they couldn't take care of them. In Worchester, England, a man was left on an ambulance gurney for five hours before his heart attack was diagnosed, and he waited seven hours before he received a stent and angioplasty.

In a hospital in Essex, doctors twice canceled a life-saving -- potential life-saving surgery for a patient with esophageal cancer, because there were no free beds in the intensive care unit. One more example. In Wales, an 82-year-old woman who had fallen waited eight hours on the floor before an ambulance arrived. Her daughter sat beside her in the ordeal, described it as one of the longest nights of our life.

This is what happened when government takes over health care -- every example on Earth -- the result is rationing and waiting periods, and you, the citizens, being told, no, you can't have the health care you want and deserve.


CNN.com - Transcripts
 
Old 06-13-2017, 10:52 AM
 
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Well, there is no place called 'Worhcester' so I'm not sure what he was talking about there.

In reality I don't think the NHS is very good compared to healthcare systems in other European countries, like France, but wouldn't switch it for the US, and I don't know anyone who would.
 
Old 06-13-2017, 10:58 AM
 
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Some private insurance companies are probably more generous than your NHS, others less. Of course, the former ones are expensive to provide. The "death panels" is absurd, but some would get cost controls in a switch-over to universal health care.

Bernie Sanders and Ted Cruz had a televised debate on health care a few months ago. Ted Cruz kept saying: government health care = less care, socialism and rationed. Wonder how much people other than true believers still believe that propoganda. Quote by Cruz on the NHS:

So let's talk about, for example, a couple of stories from the United Kingdom. In Glasgow, Scotland, the Queen Elizabeth University Hospital was so overburdened this past January, it turned away three women who were in labor because they couldn't take care of them. In Worchester, England, a man was left on an ambulance gurney for five hours before his heart attack was diagnosed, and he waited seven hours before he received a stent and angioplasty.

In a hospital in Essex, doctors twice canceled a life-saving -- potential life-saving surgery for a patient with esophageal cancer, because there were no free beds in the intensive care unit. One more example. In Wales, an 82-year-old woman who had fallen waited eight hours on the floor before an ambulance arrived. Her daughter sat beside her in the ordeal, described it as one of the longest nights of our life.

This is what happened when government takes over health care -- every example on Earth -- the result is rationing and waiting periods, and you, the citizens, being told, no, you can't have the health care you want and deserve.


CNN.com - Transcripts
I love how they always use the NHS as the example, it's not the only universal healthcare system in the world. And at the present time it is among the most the chaotic due to the government's delusions.
 
Old 06-13-2017, 11:09 AM
 
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I love how people only look to the negatives of the NHS, there are plenty of positives about it too... And I'm pretty sure you could find lots of horror stories about people who pay out expensive health insurance in the US...
 
Old 06-13-2017, 11:10 AM
 
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The smell of cigarette smoke on a no-smoking university campus is the smell of freedom
I prefer the sound of freedom


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvJY2w65zYw

But it's well known that second-hand smoke is harmful to others, so I'm not sure what your point is.
 
Old 06-13-2017, 11:11 AM
 
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I believe nei was being sarcastic, lol.
 
Old 06-13-2017, 11:16 AM
 
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I believe nei was being sarcastic, lol.
I thought he was making fun of Libertarians.
 
Old 06-13-2017, 11:22 AM
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I prefer the sound of freedom

But it's well known that second-hand smoke is harmful to others, so I'm not sure what your point is.
No! I was semi-serious! I don't think second-hand smoke in an outdoor place is that big of a deal. As long as you can be a few feet away, you won't get much.
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