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Old 10-18-2017, 04:10 AM
 
Location: Near the Coast SWCT
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Originally Posted by BullochResident View Post
Current 10 day for my area shows high of 84 F Friday and Saturday and a low of 46 F the night of the 25th.

Welcome to Denver in the south? Then again, its not happening within 1 day. lol


Should get interesting next week. You'll see some changes in the forecast along the way but things still on tap.





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45 in the morning here, im just trying to avoid a very early freeze.

Very strange your cooler night is this morning, while mine was yesterday. Wouldn't think that as the cold air mass is leaving. Parts of MS, GA, SC as well. Even if was cloudier there yesterday morning, its still clear here this morning but warmer than you.





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That’s colder than I got (46F), which was the coolest temp here since May 14 (also 46F).

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Originally Posted by BullochResident View Post
The moderating power of water.

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Originally Posted by muslim12 View Post
Fixed it for ya! NYC refuses to cool down....
Yeah, in his case pretty sure it was the NYC island vs water influence... Coastal NJ dipped into the 30s and the water down there is warmer...I think. But looking at Long Island and the MA island staying in the 40s that for sure is water influence.





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Originally Posted by Wildcat15 View Post
Not the last 2 winters. Nice to get some interesting ups and downs again instead of just torch.

Btw the low at LEX this morning was 37°F.

Nice to see you back. We need a central Ohio Valley poster in here.

 
Old 10-18-2017, 04:17 AM
 
Location: Near the Coast SWCT
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6am October 18, 2017... Frost in parts of North Carolina and Virginia this morning.


Coastal Delaware and Maryland in 30s. Water temps in the 60s!






I didn't realize it was issued for Mid Atlantic for this morning.




 
Old 10-18-2017, 04:47 AM
 
Location: Near the Coast SWCT
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Can't wait for this front and trough. Not only for the rains but to kick off the new pattern change.


NWS offices starting to mention it in their discussions.


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National Weather Service New York NY
437 AM EDT Wed Oct 18 2017



the area
starts to get squeezed from an approaching cold front to the
west, and high pressure over the Atlantic. The potential exists
for the Gulf of Mexico to get tapped with this excess moisture
getting transported into the forecast area
. Monday and Tuesday
could be quite humid as a result. As far as actual rain chances,
there are two main shots to contend with. The first is with the
approach of a residual convective boundary racing ahead of the
main system. Both the GFS and ECMWF have this feature. This has
the potential to produce locally heavy showers as it interacts
with the deepening moisture on Monday. As the main upper level
system gets here Tuesday or slightly later, this produces
significant lift and therefore a solid round of moderate to
heavy rain.
Both the ECMWF and GFS again are pointing in the
same direction. The only limiting factor would be if the leading
boundary shunts the deeper moisture out to sea. This however in
not what the models are currently signaling.

GFS map for Tuesday evening


 
Old 10-18-2017, 04:49 AM
 
Location: Lizard Lick, NC
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6am October 18, 2017... Frost in parts of North Carolina and Virginia this morning.


Coastal Delaware and Maryland in 30s. Water temps in the 60s!






I didn't realize it was issued for Mid Atlantic for this morning.



Do dews have to be below freezing to frost...
 
Old 10-18-2017, 04:57 AM
 
Location: Key Biscayne, FL
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Do dews have to be below freezing to frost...
At or below yes (I think).

Not that I have much experience with frost here
 
Old 10-18-2017, 05:10 AM
 
Location: Near the Coast SWCT
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Do dews have to be below freezing to frost...
The dews definitely has to be low enough for ice crystals to form but not too low because then wouldn't be moist enough for the frost.. Not 100% sure on that... But yeah, I think you need dews closer to freezing

And if your dews were much lower than your temperature, your temp would drop giving you more chances of frost.


Dews in mid 30s there this morning, not low enough but then again... It's more about the ground and objects having the dew & temp of freezing or lower.. Place a thermometer in the grass..


My ground is 40° this morning, no frost. Yesterday the ground was at freezing hence the frost while air temp was 38° and dewpoint was 31°
 
Old 10-18-2017, 05:20 AM
 
Location: Göle, Turkey
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Do dews have to be below freezing to frost...
What does frost mean? What's the difference between frost and freeze?

I take it freeze means the freezing point of pure water and below that. How about frost?

However I still see liquid water on the ground when the weather is 0°C or slightly below freezing in İzmit.

This winter, I was seeing liquid water on the ground when the temp was -1.8°C in İzmit ( the temperature was going between -1.8°C and -1.5°C in a cloudy weather when I was outside)

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Old 10-18-2017, 05:21 AM
 
Location: Live:Downtown Phoenix, AZ/Work:Greater Los Angeles, CA
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Forecast high today is 35.6°C, 4.5°C above average

Currently 22.8°C with a dewpoint of 10.6°C at 4am Pacific Time
 
Old 10-18-2017, 05:22 AM
 
Location: Lizard Lick, NC
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The dews definitely has to be low enough for ice crystals to form but not too low because then wouldn't be moist enough for the frost.. Not 100% sure on that... But yeah, I think you need dews closer to freezing

And if your dews were much lower than your temperature, your temp would drop giving you more chances of frost.


Dews in mid 30s there this morning, not low enough but then again... It's more about the ground and objects having the dew & temp of freezing or lower.. Place a thermometer in the grass..


My ground is 40° this morning, no frost. Yesterday the ground was at freezing hence the frost while air temp was 38° and dewpoint was 31°
Dews here above freezing , probably why we avoided the frost advisory.
 
Old 10-18-2017, 05:24 AM
 
Location: Lizard Lick, NC
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Originally Posted by atsizat View Post
What does frost mean? What's the difference between frost and freeze?

I take it freeze means the freezing point of pure water and below that. How about frost?

However I still see liquid water on the ground when the weather is 0*C or slightly below freezing in İzmit.
Freeze is when temps drop below 32... frost when temps are above freezing but due to radiational cooling the ground/surface temp is colder so water crystals are frozen.
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