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View Poll Results: Is Sydney's vegetation more Mediterranean or Temperate Broadleaf?
Mediterranean forests, woodlands, and scrub 18 58.06%
Temperate Broadleaf & Mixed Forests 13 41.94%
Voters: 31. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 12-09-2017, 08:26 PM
 
Location: Sydney, Australia
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Sure, and they can also grow many desert plants, Mediterranean plants and cold temperate plants -plants don't do climate classification, only climate.
But I thought plants grow only in certain climate classifications?

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Of course, plants can only grow in climates that allow them too.
The oaks aren't subtropical, and while the pine trees are Mediterranean, they aren't native to Britain, and certainly don't resemble a Mediterranean environment.
Native or not, how are they growing in an non-subtropical climate?

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The subtropics don't have absolute physical parameters.
Aren't all the perimeters human-made anyway? Some maps do include a subtropical zone, such as these:


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Old 12-09-2017, 08:37 PM
 
Location: Top of the South, NZ
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But I thought plants grow only in certain climate classifications?
Why would you think that?

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Native or not, how are they growing in an non-subtropical climate?
It doesn't have to be a subtropical climate, only a climate where they can grow.

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Aren't all the perimeters human-made anyway? Some maps do include a subtropical zone, such as these
The Polar, Temperate and Tropical zones are real -everything else is just a group based on a generally wide range of parameters.

Those maps are meaningless.
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Old 02-22-2018, 07:46 AM
 
Location: Sydney, Australia
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Why would you think that?
I thought climates and vegetation conflate or correlate.

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It doesn't have to be a subtropical climate, only a climate where they can grow.
Wouldn't a subtropical climate allow that more?

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The Polar, Temperate and Tropical zones are real -everything else is just a group based on a generally wide range of parameters.
Fair enough. I do disagree and believe that a subtropical zone exists therein.

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Those maps are meaningless.
How so?
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Old 02-22-2018, 11:06 AM
 
Location: Top of the South, NZ
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I thought climates and vegetation conflate or correlate.
They do, but the classification of a plane's climate, isn't always the same as the climate of a place I


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Wouldn't a subtropical climate allow that more?
Yep


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Fair enough. I do disagree and believe that a subtropical zone exists therein.
Only as a man made concept - there is no natural subtropical boundary.


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How so?
One can just put subtropical where ever one wants. It just depends what the limits of that particular classification are - unlike the three zones
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Old 02-22-2018, 01:03 PM
 
Location: 64'N Umeå, Sweden - The least bad Dfc
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I'd class it as semi-arid
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Old 02-22-2018, 07:54 PM
 
Location: Mid Atlantic USA
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Sydney veg looks more wide open and less dense than the humid subtropical areas of the SE US. Here is a burb of Charleston SC in Jan. You can see how more dense the vegetation is even in winter.


https://www.google.com/maps/@32.7616...7i13312!8i6656
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Old 02-22-2018, 08:51 PM
 
Location: João Pessoa,Brazil(The easternmost point of Americas)
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Sydney veg looks more wide open and less dense than the humid subtropical areas of the SE US. Here is a burb of Charleston SC in Jan. You can see how more dense the vegetation is even in winter.


https://www.google.com/maps/@32.7616...7i13312!8i6656
it is also different from the eastern Argentina/Uruguay temperate broadleaf mixed forests :

https://www.google.com/maps/@-32.954...7i13312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@-32.954...7i13312!8i6656
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Old 02-23-2018, 11:26 AM
 
Location: Mid Atlantic USA
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More humid subtropical climates look like this:



https://www.google.com/maps/@32.3589...7i13312!8i6656
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Old 02-24-2018, 12:39 AM
 
Location: Top of the South, NZ
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More humid subtropical climates look like this:



https://www.google.com/maps/@32.3589...7i13312!8i6656
Pretty sparse looking bush - there is a similar look in some areas of NZ, but it more related to soil types, or colonising species during regeneration.

Old growth podacarp forest in NZ, is very dense - no sunlight penetration and limited visibility.
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Old 02-24-2018, 01:06 AM
 
Location: Seattle WA, USA
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There is a correlation between vegetation type and climate, but that's not the whole story, soil also plays a big role too, sometimes even a bigger role than climate. If you have very sandy soils that don't hold water well it's going to be dominated by drought tolerant plants even if that place receives a lot of rain. Also many plants can grow in a wide variety of conditions which is why many plants have a wide distribution. On top of that it's a bit pointless to compare vegetation on different continents who have different evolutionary history, sometimes there will be some convergence such as the deciduous trees in south America but that is not always the case. Also some plants might look very similar but are completely different in the type of climates they prefer, for instance most people associate coniferous trees particularly firs with cold climates and yet they dominate in the very mild PNW.
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