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Old 06-26-2018, 06:07 PM
 
Location: In transition
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I didn't see anything in the PNW rainforest that matched lowland podocarp forest (not rainforest)here for density, although it was even darker.

The high biomass in your area might come from a greater density of bigger trees, rather than a thicker understorey.
Yes I agree. The understorey here isn't that dense but the size of some of the conifer trees are massive. It may not be the darkest forest, but walking through it definitely doesn't feel bright and sunny.
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Old 06-27-2018, 08:31 AM
 
Location: Mid Atlantic USA
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I didn't see anything in the PNW rainforest that matched lowland podocarp forest (not rainforest)here for density, although it was even darker.

The high biomass in your area might come from a greater density of bigger trees, rather than a thicker understorey.



Definitely not as dense understory compared to tropical.



Hoh temperate rainforest in the Olympic Mountains of Washington State vs El Yunque National Forest in the tropical mountains of Puerto Rico.









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Old 06-27-2018, 08:36 AM
 
Location: Washington County, PA
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How about these? I'm learning. I guess it's the undergrowth that you're really looking for and not top growth so much?




The is the exact type of forest in Western and NW Pennsylvania, so I'd say yes.
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Old 06-27-2018, 09:11 AM
 
Location: Seattle WA, USA
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Definitely not as dense understory compared to tropical.



Hoh temperate rainforest in the Olympic Mountains of Washington State vs El Yunque National Forest in the tropical mountains of Puerto Rico.








Agreed, but something to note is that the Olympic National Park has a very large density of elks (due to extripation of wolves and no hunting allowed in the park) which overbrowse the understory, otherwise you would see dense thickets of salmon berries, vine maple, salal, thimble berry, devils club, elder berry, Indian plum, ocean spray, snow berry, huckleberry, Oregon grape etc. Instead the only understory you see are ferns since elk don’t touch them.


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Old 06-27-2018, 11:14 AM
 
Location: Buenos Aires and La Plata, ARG
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oh no, this misconception again. As i said several times: lush doesn't necessarily imply warm or cold. It can be hot&lush, and cold&lush, too. The difference btw a tropical and a temperate rainforests is based on an array of multiple details like colours, shape, distribution, sharpness, brightness, contrasts, shades, etc. A trained eye can spot the difference by intuition.
Actually lushness is a more valuable criteria to distinguish btw tropical and subtropical, or btw temperate and boreal/taiga.
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Old 06-27-2018, 11:31 AM
 
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Density around here is very hit or miss, some areas are jungle-like while other areas are almost completely devoid of an understory. Could be a light and/or soil type thing.
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Old 06-27-2018, 11:59 AM
 
Location: Near the Coast SWCT
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Was just watching this video.. Video might bore you but figure I post here.


Start at 3:30: He mentions his weather and elevation. "Summers stay cool but winters are terrible" he says.


This guy is at 6000' elevation in Utah! Check out his landscape, trees, and lawn! I'm not used to seeing trees at that elevation.

His landscape does not look like 6000' elevation or harsh winters. Wow!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQlRI2ReiZY&t=1s
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Old 06-27-2018, 02:27 PM
 
Location: Top of the South, NZ
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oh no, this misconception again. As i said several times: lush doesn't necessarily imply warm or cold. It can be hot&lush, and cold&lush, too. The difference btw a tropical and a temperate rainforests is based on an array of multiple details like colours, shape, distribution, sharpness, brightness, contrasts, shades, etc. A trained eye can spot the difference by intuition.
Actually lushness is a more valuable criteria to distinguish btw tropical and subtropical, or btw temperate and boreal/taiga.
I think the main difference between a tropical and temperate rainforest, is temperature - while species are obviously going to be different, I recognised the structure and look of rainforests in southern Queensland, as the same as here.
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Old 06-27-2018, 11:23 PM
 
Location: Sydney, Australia
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oh no, this misconception again. As i said several times: lush doesn't necessarily imply warm or cold. It can be hot&lush, and cold&lush, too. The difference btw a tropical and a temperate rainforests is based on an array of multiple details like colours, shape, distribution, sharpness, brightness, contrasts, shades, etc. A trained eye can spot the difference by intuition.
Actually lushness is a more valuable criteria to distinguish btw tropical and subtropical, or btw temperate and boreal/taiga.
This.
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Was just watching this video.. Video might bore you but figure I post here.


Start at 3:30: He mentions his weather and elevation. "Summers stay cool but winters are terrible" he says.


This guy is at 6000' elevation in Utah! Check out his landscape, trees, and lawn! I'm not used to seeing trees at that elevation.

His landscape does not look like 6000' elevation or harsh winters. Wow!
Surprised you're surprised. You can see from height maps and mid-level temperature maps that Utah and Colorado are much warmer at higher elevations. Denver is similar at 5000'
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