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Location: Live:Downtown Phoenix, AZ/Work:Greater Los Angeles, CA
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Originally Posted by Joe90
Now that sounds like a classic bit of deflection - Washingtonias have gone from representing subtropical climates, to not reprenting tropical climates, and presumably because Washingtonias don't neatly stopping growing at summers below 18 C
Not really, I conceded that warm oceanic and subtropical are the same grouping but different climates.
Washingtonia's can obviously grow in warmer oceanic climates (if they are hardiness zone 9A+); but are native to the low desert of AZ,CA,Sonora and Baja California (and in these drier climes are hardy to zone 8B, hence they grow in Kingman and St George)
Not really, I conceded that warm oceanic and subtropical are the same grouping but different climates.
Washingtonia's can obviously grow in warmer oceanic climates (if they are hardiness zone 9A+); but are native to the low desert of AZ,CA,Sonora and Baja California (and in these drier climes are hardy to zone 8B, hence they grow in Kingman and St George)
I don't see my climate as remotely in the same grouping as Phoenix- different genetics, different character completely.
Zone 9A extends from the Central Oregon coast to Tofino on Vancouver Island and you wont see any Washingtonias there. Why not? Because hardiness zone is only one factor.
Do you think my area is subtropical? -Washingtonia grow here, and plants will sprout from seed.
I think subtropical is best used to describe a spectrum where environments manifest the relative lack of cold, through flora and fauna - the longer the growing season, and the more species that can thrive due to the lack of cold, then the more subtropical a place is.
I agree with this. Basically, the native flora and fauna are the "ground truth" of what an area's climate truly is. Koppen, in my opinion, almost always gets it right. His categories very noticeably correlate to the types of plants and ecosystems you'll find in any given place.
Zone 9A extends from the Central Oregon coast to Tofino on Vancouver Island and you wont see any Washingtonias there. Why not? Because hardiness zone is only one factor.
Garden plants are a less convincing indicator. People water them, feed them, place them, breed them. The local flora is more illustrative. Also, why are Washingtonias this magical indicator of subtropical climate? You know they look terrible and sickly wherever they're planted in the Southeast right? They don't like humidity. They also would never natively grow along the California coast.
Location: Live:Downtown Phoenix, AZ/Work:Greater Los Angeles, CA
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Zone 9A extends from the Central Oregon coast to Tofino on Vancouver Island and you wont see any Washingtonias there. Why not? Because hardiness zone is only one factor.
Yeah, I think their northern limit is either Brookings or Newport on the west coast
Location: Live:Downtown Phoenix, AZ/Work:Greater Los Angeles, CA
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Garden plants are a less convincing indicator. People water them, feed them, place them, breed them. The local flora is more illustrative. Also, why are Washingtonias this magical indicator of subtropical climate? You know they look terrible and sickly wherever they're planted in the Southeast right? They don't like humidity. They also would never natively grow along the California coast.
They don't necessarily like cold humidity. Their native habitat gets very humid in the summer (i.e. dewpoints between 20 and 25°C)
I hadn't realized Lyon was that warm. I used to live in Geneva which is close, so I didn't even bother looking at the stats (just assumed it was oceanic as well). I guess I should have voted that one as well, though (along with NYC) it's more debatable than my other choices (Philly, Trieste, Lugano).
Of course you don't, to you, every single place in the world has it's own unique climate
It is you who claims that my town has a fundamentally different climate to Nelson - a town that I can see from my kitchen window.
I'm just saying that I don't see Phoenix and Motueka as variants of the same climate.
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