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View Poll Results: Wellington vs New York City - Which city is more subtropical?
Wellington 14 66.67%
New York City 7 33.33%
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Old 04-12-2020, 02:35 AM
 
Location: Wellington, New Zealand
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Which of these cities do you consider to be more subtropical?

Wellington is considered subtropical according to Trewartha, but oceanic under Köppen. This 'subtropical' city failed to record a single daily high at or above 25°C in 2020 and has a record high of only 30°C.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wellington#Climate

New York City is considered subtropical according to Köppen, but oceanic according to Trewartha. This 'subtropical' city records lows below -10°C almost every year and has a record low of -26°C.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City#Climate

Both cities are located on similar latitudes and have almost identical annual average temperatures.
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Old 04-12-2020, 03:21 AM
 
Location: Tricity, PL
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NY is warmer ...
but I like the temps in Wellington more...
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Old 04-12-2020, 04:11 AM
 
Location: Cork, Ireland
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Definitely Wellington. Its native vegetation is mostly evergreen and a large range of subtropical plants can grow. New York has the hotter summers but Wellington is a bit more exposed to tropical cyclones.
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Old 04-12-2020, 08:34 AM
 
Location: Top of the South, NZ
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Which of these cities do you consider to be more subtropical?

Wellington is considered subtropical according to Trewartha, but oceanic under Köppen. This 'subtropical' city failed to record a single daily high at or above 25°C in 2020 and has a record high of only 30°C.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wellington#Climate

New York City is considered subtropical according to Köppen, but oceanic according to Trewartha. This 'subtropical' city records lows below -10°C almost every year and has a record low of -26°C.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City#Climate

Both cities are located on similar latitudes and have almost identical annual average temperatures.
Wellington can be variable during summer due to geography, while it's true that the Kelburn recording site only reached 24.5C by Feb, Upper Hutt averaged 24.6C for the average daily maximum.

I think Kelburn also has issues with being non standard - Wellington airport site has a annual mean 1C warmer than both Kelburn and NYC.

I'd say Wellington has a more subtropical environment, therefore a more subtropical climate -it ain't Brisbane, but you can still have an avocado or lime tree in your backyard.

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Old 04-12-2020, 09:29 AM
 
Location: Fort Worth, Texas
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Wellington, only because as others have said that you cannot grow limes or avocados in New York City outside without a greenhouse.
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Old 04-12-2020, 10:34 AM
 
Location: In transition
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Wellington by far because it has a year round growing season. NYC doesn't come anywhere close.

https://weatherspark.com/y/144870/Av...and-Year-Round

https://weatherspark.com/y/23912/Ave...tes-Year-Round
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Old 04-12-2020, 10:35 AM
 
Location: Victoria, BC, Canada
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I was in Wellington in the middle of winter 2018. The environment was very much "alive" even at that time of year.





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Old 04-12-2020, 12:18 PM
 
Location: Buenos Aires and La Plata, ARG
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That's not "environment", but rather public and private gardening
New York is slightly less subtropical due to the more harsh winter conditions. At least in most of the metro area. But at the central park station, heavily influenced by the heat island, that difference turns negligible.
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Old 04-12-2020, 12:34 PM
 
Location: Top of the South, NZ
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That's not "environment", but rather public and private gardening
New York is slightly less subtropical due to the more harsh winter conditions. At least in most of the metro area. But at the central park station, heavily influenced by the heat island, that difference turns negligible.
They might be parks, but they're pretty much just standard plants native to the region, and grown without the need for assistance.

Doesn't matter where you go around Wellington, those species and plenty more will be growing everywhere that isn't pasture, lawn, or plantation.

The "negligible difference" of NYC heat islands, is a very long way from supporting the vegetation that Wellington can.
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Old 04-12-2020, 01:45 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC, Canada
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That's not "environment", but rather public and private gardening
New York is slightly less subtropical due to the more harsh winter conditions. At least in most of the metro area. But at the central park station, heavily influenced by the heat island, that difference turns negligible.
Here's some of the natural environment around Wellington. I took these photos in the middle of winter.






Here's a photo from Central Park. Quite easy to understand where the term "dead of winter" comes from.


Winter view of the Bow Bridge in Central Park
Ed Yourdon from New York City, USA / CC BY-SA (https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/2.0)


Do you still think the difference is negligible?
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