Is Southern Ontario becoming humid subtropical over time? (climate, snowy, warmest)
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I've been hearing a lot in the news here about the warmest weather for 2012 here in Canada for many decades.. and I personally believe it's a trend to warmer weather.
I checked out the winter averages for some places in Southern Ontario and it seems that with winters losing their snowpack and a trend towards much milder temperatures... it seems some parts of Southern Ontario are gradually becoming humid subtropical over time.
Check out these stations for January 2012 - the averages look much closer to what you might see in NYC or Boston on average vs. the averages for Southern Ontario
Well Toronto and Windsor are still quite a bit colder than both New York and Boston - if the climate continues to warm up though, then no doubt they will eventually find themselves under the Koppen subtropical classification. Do they not have 1981 - 2010 averages in Canada yet?
Well Toronto and Windsor are still quite a bit colder than both New York and Boston - if the climate continues to warm up though, then no doubt they will eventually find themselves under the Koppen subtropical classification. Do they not have 1981 - 2010 averages in Canada yet?
New York warmer but Boston...
Boston avg january high is 2.4c and avg january low is -5.4c
Last january 2012 downtown Toronto avg high was 2.6c and avg low -3.8c
Slightly warmer than Boston avg january, as winter 2012 was very mild and
it seems like there is trend towards milder winters lately.
This december has been very mild....almost Vancouver-like
New York january avg high is 3.9c and low -2.8c
I too am wondering when Canadian 1981-2010 averages will be available.... 2020?
The humid subtropical (-3C isotherm I assume) makes its way to the southern tip of Ontario in all 2001-25 scenarios.
On another note, have you been avoiding all the climate change threads? I've been complaining quite a bit over the past year about warm the past winter, spring, and summer were.
Boston avg january high is 2.4c and avg january low is -5.4c
Last january 2012 downtown Toronto avg high was 2.6c and avg low -3.8c
Slightly warmer than Boston avg january, as winter 2012 was very mild and
it seems like there is trend towards milder winters lately. This december has been very mild....almost Vancouver-like
New York january avg high is 3.9c and low -2.8c
I too am wondering when Canadian 1981-2010 averages will be available.... 2020?
Yes I've been noticing that Toronto generally doesn't have a snowpack most winters anymore... it is becoming more Vancouver like which is why I'm wondering if it's becoming more like a humid subtropical climate than a typical continental one.
The humid subtropical (-3C isotherm I assume) makes its way to the southern tip of Ontario in all 2001-25 scenarios.
On another note, have you been avoiding all the climate change threads? I've been complaining quite a bit over the past year about warm the past winter, spring, and summer were.
Cool.. that looks like by 2100, the great lakes area including Southern Ontario will definitely be Cfa.. which is bad news for cold and snow lovers like you
I generally avoid the climate change threads as they tend to get very heated.
If the forecasts come to fruition, earth will become increasingly hostile for lovers of cold and snow - die hard cold lovers (those who love cold and snow so much they will go anywhere to find it) will have no choice but to flee to high-latitude areas in Canada, as warm temperate is forecast to engulf most of Scandinavia, and personally, I have no desire to live in some ugly, isolated ex-mining town in North West Territories.
Luckily, that's quite a way off, I may even be dead before then.
This will certainly become a global warming slugfest over time, so the global warming people will say that it's becoming more humid subtropical, and the cooling people will say it's becoming more subarctic. So I'll say right here that it is a fact that the world warmed from the 1980's to the 2000's, but I believe that cycle is coming to an end, and it will take global warming fears with it. The previous warming is detectable and noticeable, but a degree or two isn't that significant. Toronto and the rest of Canada have gotten cold and snowy winters in recent times, and barring a huge warming (which I don't think will happen) they will still be present. Small climate changes mean that there are noticeable changes, but basically the climate is still the same.
Warm winters occur from time to time in Toronto, and since Toronto averages -4C in January, it isn't that far from the outer limit of humid subtropical climate to begin with. If you get a winter that averages 2C above normal, the humid subtropical threshold will be breached and a snowpack will be difficult to retain, especially in a dry winter.
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If the forecasts come to fruition, earth will become increasingly hostile for lovers of cold and snow - die hard cold lovers (those who love cold and snow so much they will go anywhere to find it) will have no choice but to flee to high-latitude areas in Canada, as warm temperate is forecast to engulf most of Scandinavia, and personally, I have no desire to live in some ugly, isolated ex-mining town in North West Territories.
Luckily, that's quite a way off, I may even be dead before then.
If those horrific forecasts come to fruition, it's possible that that ex-mining town's population will go way up and more amenities will appear, like an inverse of what happened in the Deep South in the late 20th century. As a cold lover, however, I'll say that the Earth is unbalanced towards warm climates enough as it is, and if any change is needed in climate it's colder, not warmer; a glacial period climate provides a good balance (notwithstanding the socioeconomic impact).
By 2100 who knows what could happen? There will probably be a plethora of habitable exoplanets catalogued, and colonization is conceivable. If a habitable planet exists around Tau Ceti, the trip time would be a feasible 20 years (50% of light speed), and in the case of Tau Ceti f it would likely be quite a bit colder than the Earth. The same goes for Gliese 581 d. There is also the matter of terraforming Mars, which might also be a hospitable place for cold lovers. All of this is very speculative, but how can you avoid speculation when you're talking 90 years into the future?
If we start calling places in Canada subtropical, then we may as well re-classify Melbourne as Equatorial while we are at it.
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