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Old 05-02-2022, 03:13 PM
 
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India and Pakistan are providing evidence that the world is warming drastically. They're currently going through a heatwave the likes of which they've never experienced in April. For the last two weeks the temperatures have hovered anywhere from 120F to surface temps of 140F in northwest and central India. The heat is ongoing and it's not going to cool down until the monsoons arrive in mid-summer. Let's not forget that 1.5 billion people live in India and Pakistan and these are the kinds of temperatures that are unsurvivable in the long run and can force people into becoming climate refugees. And these temps are only going to get worse over time.

"Surface temperature tops 60°C in parts of north India, satellite images show"

https://www.hindustantimes.com/india...343166998.html
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Old 05-03-2022, 03:29 PM
 
Location: Centre Wellington, ON
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Seems like it's been more like 105-112F in most of that area, although when you consider that they've been experiencing those temperatures for several consecutive days (and 80-85F nights), it's definitely pretty brutal. I'd imagine a lot of people there have no air conditioning.
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Old 05-03-2022, 04:29 PM
 
Location: Portsmouth, UK
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Surface temperatures are completely pointless & used to make it look hotter than it is, only the air temperature, taken in the shade, is what matters.
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Old 05-03-2022, 10:05 PM
 
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The temperatures for Nawabshah nest week are being forecast as around 120-121F. And that's not surface temperatures.
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Old 05-03-2022, 10:23 PM
 
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60ºC isn't that much more realistic now for an air temperature than it was before global warming, Al-Azizia's (likely inaccurate) claim of 58ºC in 1922 hasn't been contested. Even 49ºC can be lethal with sufficient humidity, however.

Meanwhile, 60ºC surface temperatures are widely seen in unvegetated areas during daytime, even where the all time record air temperature is in the 40s ºC or lower (e.g. San Luis valley) - the record natural surface temperature is probably above 100ºC, and artificial environments can raise it far above that, maybe even 200ºC in extreme cases; well-known incidents of street signs melting require a surface temperature of 130-200ºC.

I'm pretty sure we won't see natural 200ºC air temperatures (with the exception of wildfires, volcanic activity and such) until Earth as a whole becomes uninhabitable 2-3 billion years from now.
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Old 05-03-2022, 10:38 PM
 
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Simple solution is to stop laying bitumin road surface. Use light pink concrete, instead. In scientific circles (of real scientists) you are referring to "island effect" heating.
Definitely an effective way to reduce surface heating. The primary factor for surface temperature under solar radiation is the composition of said surface, specifically what fractions of light throughout the spectrum are reflected or absorbed.

I can't seem to find this topic of "island effect" heating, all the resources seem to point to the UHI effect, which does influence air temperatures.
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Old 05-04-2022, 11:14 PM
 
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It seems that Bay of Bengal coast, into Assam/NE India are the best areas of the subcontinent sustaining longer windows of comfortable temps (albeit with high humidity/rainy periods). The SW "Malabar" coast in places like Kerala are good as well. As are islands like Andaman.

The rest of the subcontinent really is roasting, especially as you go farther northwest.
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Old 05-05-2022, 12:23 AM
 
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60ºC isn't that much more realistic now for an air temperature than it was before global warming, Al-Azizia's (likely inaccurate) claim of 58ºC in 1922 hasn't been contested. Even 49ºC can be lethal with sufficient humidity, however.
49ºC at any humidity level is very lethal over more than a few hours unless you're continuously drinking water that's at or below your normal body temperature.
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Old 05-05-2022, 12:49 AM
 
Location: Prepperland
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Simple solution is to stop laying bitumin road surface. Use light pink concrete, instead. In scientific circles (of real scientists) you are referring to "island effect" heating.
Better solution - shift to rail.
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Old 05-05-2022, 01:49 AM
 
Location: The Driftless Area, WI
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The planet does not have a heatng problem. It has a mixing problem (if you insist it's a probem)

While La Nina conditons in the east Pacific has temps cooler there, the energy has to be re-distributed elsewhere-- like the west Pacific. It all averages out.

BTW-- according to the satellite records, there has been ZERO warming for the last 7 years & 7 months. https://wattsupwiththat.com/2022/05/...ears-7-months/

Please note that temps have risen by ~ 1.5degC in the last century (in an irregular, up & down manner) which is 1.5degK/288degK = 0.5% while [co2] has gone up motonically from 280ppm to 420ppm-- a 66% rise....Time for The Libs to look for another Boogey Man, like abortion rights, to stimulate the sheeple.
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