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Old 11-12-2023, 01:18 PM
 
Location: 30461
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Here's Decembers departure from normal for here. Out of the last 12, only 3 were below normal.

2000: -20.0%
2001: 11.9%
2002: -8.9%
2003: -5.1%
2004: -1.4%
2005: -10.0%
2006: 11.1%
2007: -3.5%
2008: -4.1%
2009: -10.0%
2010: -15.4%
2011: 11.1%
2012: 7.0%
2013: -5.4%
2014: 5.4%
2015: 27.6%
2016: 2.2%
2017: -9.7%
2018: 1.9%
2019: -2.4%
2020: 0.8%
2021: 9.2%
2022: 6.2%
Ah, 2015. When New England was enjoying 20 C/68 F weather on Christmas and when much of the southeast was in the 80s.
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Old 11-13-2023, 07:57 AM
 
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The latest ECMWF run for December doesn't look too much like a torch here. Maybe just slightly above average in temps and precip



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Old 11-13-2023, 01:52 PM
 
Location: Markham, Ontario
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It's been ages since we've seen a cold & snowy December around here and the mild trend looks to continue this year.
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Old 11-13-2023, 02:26 PM
 
Location: Zagreb
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It's been ages since we've seen a cold & snowy December around here and the mild trend looks to continue this year.
Here it's even worse.

Our last white Christmas was in 2007
Snow drought - we have less snowy days and less snow accumulation
We haven't had a good snowfall since Feb/Mar 2018.

Winters are becoming warmer, this last one was insane.
And the meteorologists and models are once again calling for a snowless blowtorch winter.
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Old 11-13-2023, 02:48 PM
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Location: Tennessee
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Winters are becoming warmer, this last one was insane.
And the meteorologists and models are once again calling for a snowless blowtorch winter.
That makes no sense. I have been assured by experts, as well as some people of this forum, that it snows more when it's warmer.
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Old 11-13-2023, 03:12 PM
 
Location: Zagreb
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That makes no sense. I have been assured by experts, as well as some people of this forum, that it snows more when it's warmer.
Yes, air can hold more moisture at -5 C/23 F than -15 C/5 F for example, consequently, more snow can be generated.

Temps here are becoming too warm for snow, that was my point.
You won't get snow when it's 8 C / 46 F outside. You'll get rain instead.
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Old 11-13-2023, 03:48 PM
 
Location: Syrmia, Northern Serbia, near 45 N
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Here it's even worse.

Our last white Christmas was in 2007
Snow drought - we have less snowy days and less snow accumulation
We haven't had a good snowfall since Feb/Mar 2018.

Winters are becoming warmer, this last one was insane.
And the meteorologists and models are once again calling for a snowless blowtorch winter.
In the last several years winters were mild in the region, summers quite warm with common thunderstorms, and there is a tendency for strong cold episodes deep in the spring. Belgrade got snow cover on April 6, 2021 and on April 4, 2023. Before 2021 last measurable snow in April in Belgrade was in 1997. Historical record snow for April in the center of Belgrade is 17 cm from April 5, 2023 (higher parts of Belgrade had up to 25 cm on that day), and previous record was 10 cm from April 7, 2021 https://i.ibb.co/qmHCCDY/IMG-20231113-233030.jpg
I hate mild winters without snow which looks like spring or autumn, but i also hate frost and snow in the spring when vegetation started. Last phenomenon causes damage to agriculture and the prices of agricultural products are jumping.

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Old 11-13-2023, 04:04 PM
 
Location: Zagreb
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In the last several years winters were mild in the region, summers quite warm with prominent thunderstorms, and there is a tendency for strong cold episodes deep in the spring. Belgrade got snow cover on April 6, 2021 and on April 4, 2023. Before 2021 last measurable snow in April in Belgrade was in 1997. Historical record snow for April in the center of Belgrade is 17 cm from April 5, 2023 (higher parts of Belgrade had up to 25 cm on that day), and previous record was 10 cm from April 7, 2021 https://i.ibb.co/qmHCCDY/IMG-20231113-233030.jpg
I hate mild winters without snow which looks like spring or autumn, but i also hate frost and snow in the spring when vegetation started. Last phenomenon causes damage to agriculture and the prices of agricultural products are jumping.
Pretty much the same story here.

Winters ridiculously mild, snowless, and then you get cold temps into April if not even May.
We also got snow in April (2020/21/22), was weird as hell since snow in April is rather rare here.

I agree with your sentiments completely.
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Old 11-15-2023, 09:20 AM
 
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Latest CFSv2 for the upcoming winter




The CFSv2 is bringing down the Arctic over the Midwest in February





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Old 11-16-2023, 10:56 AM
 
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NOAA suggesting a mild December for the eastern US


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