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View Poll Results: Which one is more subtropical?
NZ 4 16.67%
Virginia 12 50.00%
Both in their way 3 12.50%
Not sure it is too hard to really know 0 0%
Depends what part of each place 5 20.83%
Voters: 24. You may not vote on this poll

 
 
Old 03-08-2024, 07:27 PM
 
Location: St. Petersburg, Florida
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There is even a Youngstown report I saw somewhere, but Youngstown is Dfa, by only 0.1°F, 26.5°F, 26.6°F(-3°C) is the Köppen boundary of C and D. Whatever the climate type doesn’t matter it is more the hardiness in this case of Ohio, Youngstown is 6b or potentially lower, Cleveland is 7a.
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Old 03-08-2024, 07:29 PM
 
Location: St. Petersburg, Florida
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Cleveland is less prone to extremes and it entered at least a rare cold and snowy Cfa somehow, While Youngstown is Dfa and hardiness zone is low. Windmill are hardy to zone 7, Youngstown is 6 so protection is required.
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Old 03-08-2024, 07:33 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC, Canada
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Old 03-08-2024, 08:58 PM
 
Location: St. Petersburg, Florida
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Sabal Minor should be the solution for Youngstown instead, hardy down to zone 6.
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Old 03-08-2024, 11:41 PM
 
Location: Auckland, New Zealand
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Mainland NZ latitude sits between 46.3S to 34.5S, 1400km in distance. The equivalent for eastern USA is northern Maine to Wilmington, North Corolina.
Northern New Zealand has a good climate for the commercial growing of Citrus, kiwi fruit and Avocado while southern parts of New Zealand are excellent for pip/stone fruit growing.
The climate of Cromwell on the lower South Island.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cromwell,_New_Zealand

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Old 03-09-2024, 01:08 AM
 
Location: Corryong (Northeast Victoria)
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Originally Posted by Nikau Palm View Post
Mainland NZ latitude sits between 46.3S to 34.5S, 1400km in distance. The equivalent for eastern USA is northern Maine to Wilmington, North Corolina.
Northern New Zealand has a good climate for the commercial growing of Citrus, kiwi fruit and Avocado while southern parts of New Zealand are excellent for pip/stone fruit growing.
The climate of Cromwell on the lower South Island.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cromwell,_New_Zealand
If you were to apply some basic COMMON SENSE, you would know that OP is comparing areas of similar latitude. Come on you're a big boy now, let's do some big boy thinking.
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Old 03-09-2024, 01:44 AM
 
Location: Auckland, New Zealand
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If you were to apply some basic COMMON SENSE, you would know that OP is comparing areas of similar latitude. Come on you're a big boy now, let's do some big boy thinking.
You can easily grow Avocadoes in Auckland NZ but it is not a fruit tree you plant in Norfolk, Virginia. Similar latitude

COMMON SENSE. WesterlyWX thinks with subtropical climate 2C is not cold weather.

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Old 03-09-2024, 11:42 AM
 
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Actually, only norfolk qualifies under trewartha


Not strictly true, and also silly, because Trewartha appears to acknowledge that the climate of Virginia is different enough to that of, say, Minnesota to divide them into separate zones, but he labels much of Virginia “Oceanic”, which makes no sense. Its Subtropical.
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Old 03-09-2024, 11:46 AM
 
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You can easily grow Avocadoes in Auckland NZ but it is not a fruit tree you plant in Norfolk, Virginia. Similar latitude

COMMON SENSE. WesterlyWX thinks with subtropical climate 2C is not cold weather.
Why do you guys keep cherry-picking plant species as the arbiter of subtropical/not subtropical? Avocados are a plant native to regions with prevailing westerlies - mild, Mediterranean air, highland…
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Old 03-09-2024, 11:59 AM
 
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Anyway neither NZ nor Virginia are sub-Tropical, NZ is too cool year round, it has an Oceanic climate and Virginia, though it is hot enough in its Summer months it is too cold in the depths of Winter and has a very definite Continental vibe. A lot of NZers seem to try and claim they live in a sub-Tropical place though, Australia is sub-Tropical in parts for sure (I think part of Northern Australia is actually in the Tropics isn't it?)
1) Virginia is not too cold. It gets downright warm for stretches of time most winters

2) Virginia is affected mostly by tropical airflow which brings them things like hurricanes

3) It does not have a “continental vibe”. Minneapolis is continental.

Why do we need to listen to some British guy ignore all climate classification systems to arbitrarily declare places “not subtropical” or “subtropical” based on his feelings and his kindergarten comprehension of climate
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