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View Poll Results: Which one is more subtropical
Wellington, NZ 3 11.54%
Atlanta, GA 21 80.77%
Both in their way 2 7.69%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 26. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 04-16-2024, 05:47 AM
 
Location: Northern Jutland, Denmark
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Wellington has a summer not too different from Copenhagen....such a ridiculous question.
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Old 04-16-2024, 02:14 PM
 
Location: New Zealand
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Agreed.

Like when NYC is brought up as being so subtropical because of hot humid summer,
ignoring it has a colder winter than places in Northern Scotland!
Yes, NYC being a clear example of a "subtropical climate" that has a much less subtropical environment than many oceanic climates.

The same applies to Atlanta, just to a lesser degree.
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Old 04-17-2024, 09:14 AM
 
Location: St. Petersburg, Florida
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Agreed.

Like when NYC is brought up as being so subtropical because of hot humid summer,
ignoring it has a colder winter than places in Northern Scotland!
NYC’s winters are not ignorned, it is just not continental yet, adding the temperate winters(non continental and non tropical) + the summer heat is subtropical, I don’t know how some people are stuck with this nonsense way of thinking about NYC being humid subtropical. No winters are taken account too. If NYC had NZ summers it would be a cold winter version of Oceanic like Berlin, hot summers makes the difference there. Learn about continental climates and boundaries to temperate before saying something like that again.

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Old 04-17-2024, 09:19 AM
 
Location: St. Petersburg, Florida
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The leave change later in Atlanta, usually in November they are changing and falling even into December in recent years. Leaves come back in March.

That is beside the point of the winter season in Atlanta which is December-February based on stable average temperatures below 10c for those three months and lack of significant transition from month to month, which are aspects of the spring and fall seasons.

Atlanta is more subtropical than NZ but also more seasonal. It doesn't have to be one or the other. People outside of this forum DO exaggerate the Atlanta summers far more than the winters. People IRL from the north sometimes assume it is 90 degrees for 6 months straight and that it never goes below freezing. Just google something like 'atlanta weather reddit' and see what kind of perceptions people have outside of this specific forum
Leaves start changing in October in most of mid deep south, but they completely fall by the end of November. Here in FL Deciduous trees change more in November, and by mid December they clear out, but some remain similar until they fall out in the winter due to drought there. Here is basically a pure transition between 4 temperate seasons and 2 tropical ones, it has both characteristics. It is almost tropical here, I don’t think a place like here should be a main example of subtropical ever, Atlanta is better than here for that.
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Old 04-17-2024, 09:39 AM
 
Location: Augusta, Ga
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Yes, NYC being a clear example of a "subtropical climate" that has a much less subtropical environment than many oceanic climates.

The same applies to Atlanta, just to a lesser degree.
"Subtropical environment" lol, get over it you don't live in a subtropical climate or a "subtropical environment", you live in an oceanic climate with a cool temperate biome, not even warm temperate by Holdridge.
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Old 04-17-2024, 10:00 AM
 
Location: New Zealand
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"Subtropical environment" lol, get over it you don't live in a subtropical climate or a "subtropical environment", you live in an oceanic climate with a cool temperate biome, not even warm temperate by Holdridge.
Describe a cool temperate biome.
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Old 04-17-2024, 01:59 PM
 
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Yes, NYC being a clear example of a "subtropical climate" that has a much less subtropical environment than many oceanic climates.

The same applies to Atlanta, just to a lesser degree.
The vast majority of Oceanic climates in the world (mostly in Europe) don’t have a native environment more subtropical than NYC at all - in fact, they have environments less subtropical than NYC, which has much higher species diversity, taller, denser forest, warm-hot climate indicator species like Prickly Pear, Subtropical Pine (Longleaf, Yellow), Needle Palm, Mountain Laurel, and Maritime forest (as at the Sunken Forest on Long Island), the appearance of subtropical fish - all paint a more subtropical picture than the native environment of London or the UK. What London can grow, to any extent, is not indicative of London’s “environment”.

Yes, the Northern Temperate dominance is much more prominent in the borderline NYC region, and some of the species I named are more scant than others, that far north - but its native environment is still more tailored to warmth than London’s is, and saying otherwise is objectively false.
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Old 04-17-2024, 02:02 PM
 
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Agreed.

Like when NYC is brought up as being so subtropical because of hot humid summer,
ignoring it has a colder winter than places in Northern Scotland!
NYC receives substantial warmth unknown to most areas of the UK in around half of its winters. Most winters in NYC aren’t much colder than Northern Scotland, and the UK isn’t the barometer by which all climates are judged against, so this is a stupid claim.

And no one ignored winter - it meets the cutoff for subtropical in regards to its winter temps, NO ONE said New York was subtropical just because of its summers. It’s only ever pointed out that it’s borderline subtropical because of its average winter temperatures. You are straw-manning so hard.
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Old 04-17-2024, 02:07 PM
 
Location: New Zealand
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The vast majority of Oceanic climates in the world (mostly in Europe) don’t have a native environment more subtropical than NYC at all - in fact, they have environments less subtropical than NYC, which has much higher species diversity, taller, denser forest, indicator species like Prickly Pear, Subtropical Pine (Longleaf, Yellow), Needle Palm, Mountain Laurel, and Maritime forest (as at the Sunken Forest on Long Island), the appearance of subtropical fish - all paint a more subtropical picture than the native environment of London or the UK. What London can grow, to any extent, is not indicative of London’s “environment”.

Yes, the Northern Temperate dominance is much more prominent in the borderline NYC region - but it’s native environment is still more tailored to warmth than London’s is, and saying otherwise is objectively false.
Now just slow down there, young fella! ... notice how I used the word "many" when referring to oceanic climates.

What any place can grow (London included), is always indicative of the environment, lol! ... the environment is the climate manifested upon the land and sea.
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Old 04-17-2024, 02:17 PM
 
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Now just slow down there, young fella! ... notice how I used the word "many" when referring to oceanic climates.

What any place can grow (London included), is always indicative of the environment, lol! ... the environment is the climate manifested upon the land and sea.
Which is indicated by what is native to the region, not what is introduced and grown ornamentally. You ONLY attend to that, because it allows you to flaunt your gardening habit and cherry-pick stuff, and obfuscate the extent to which a given plant can grow fast, well, and regularly without much help in a given climate.

The end result of your thought process is this endless rationalizing about how the U.S. isn’t subtropical but Europe or New Zealand is. Delusional.
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