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According to scientists, the earth is not perfectly round and is slowly orbiting toward the sun at about 1/2 inch per year. They say earth will burn up in a few million years as it closes in on the sun. There goes those theories on global warming.
Hope ya'all don't lose sleep worrying about that.
Why do you keep posting that the earth is moving TOWARDS the sun (even a minute amount)? I've corrected you several times (with links) that the earth is moving AWAY from the sun (again, a minute amount). As the sun's mass is converted to energy, there is slightly less of it all the time and the earth is very slowly spiraling outward as a result.
Again the amount the earth is spiralling outward is TINY (something like an inch a year - not nearly enough to make ANY difference in the earths' climate) - but it IS spiraling outward and NOT moving closer to the sun.
In regards the original post. It's all a bunch of horse-pucky. I have read Nostrodamus (as few people have actually bothered to do) and the fact is - that like most such predictions - it's so vague that anyone can read ANYTHING into it.
That is of course the reason that his work has been read for so long. Anyone can make it say anything.
Ken
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LordBalfor: It goes far beyond the prediction of one man. You really should see the special on the History Channel. As I said, the Bible and science come together. Look, watch and listen. They did have a clip on their website but I don't know if it is still there.
LordBalfor: It goes far beyond the prediction of one man. You really should see the special on the History Channel. As I said, the Bible and science come together. Look, watch and listen. They did have a clip on their website but I don't know if it is still there.
The History Channel has it's fair share of utter garbage - Nostradamus included. ANY show that makes ANY reference to Nostradamus as real prophecy is almost by definition "laughable". If a show is using his work as "evidence" it shows the standards used on the show for determining what is "evidence" are virtually non-existant - meaning that ANYTHING else on that show is likely garbage as well.
It would be like using footage of Barney the dinosaur as "evidence" in a show arguing that dinosaurs spoke. Any show that used such stupid "evidence" would be nothing more than joke.
That's the case with the prophecies of Nostradamus. It's complete garbage - and if a show considers his work "evidence" the rest of their so-called "evidence" is likely complete garbage as well.
Such shows are NOT history. They are merely entertainment.
I've heard stories about aliens, about astrology, about changing the
rhythm of time, Heaven on Earth, energies, other dimensions,
bad-stuff-happening, galactic-astrological-synchronizations, changes
in calenders, parties, and so many contradicting,
not-really-scientific, not-always-rational data.
I seek to explain the phenomenon, without stubborn rhetoric, without
any vague concepts, and without any energy / aliens / dimensional /
other-unproven-data (or at least considered unproven).
Having said that, I'll try to explain the 2012 phenomenon, or the
phenomenon of 2012 obsession.
1.
My first argument:
Numbers affect people.
People are charmed, for example, by certain numbers, and are afraid,
from other numbers, for a variety of reasons.
I don't claim everyone is charmed and afraid by numbers, but enough
people do, so in the global-scale, number do affect people, not
necessarily in the same manner.
(The number X can charm one person, deter another, and not affect
another two people, in a group of 4, for example).
I find it easy to be charmed by
12.21.2012
or
13.0.0.0.0
of the Mayan calender,
And I am charmed by the fact they are both the same day.
But I would like to focus more on dates and numbers that make people fear.
Some dates frighten some of us:
9.11.2001
or
9.1.1939
Some numbers that might frighten a Christian:
666
13
Or Jews:
6,000,000
2.
My second argument:
The 9 - 11 combination is problematic enough in order to become a date
of destruction.
(Sounds strange, but read it through).
I don't ask here to explain this, just to show this, but I'll try to
give an explanation nonetheless.
One possible explanation, is the common characteristic of 9 and 11.
They are both very close to 10, and this is what is common, and so
their combination emphasizes this.
10 is a very special number for the human psyche, and usually
symbolizes wholeness and completeness and perfection, not for a
mystical, or a numerological, or a really-stupid reason, but because
we have 10 fingers, and they are the base of our counting system, and
10 symbolizes the completeness of the counting, the 10 fingers, and
the 10 digits.
Those of us who look for grades will see a perfection in 10, since it
is the perfect grade.
Those of us who look for completeness in sexuality, and in the merging
of the opposites, will also see in 10 completeness, as 1 is the male
organ, 0 is the female organ, and 10 is their combination in one
complete whole perfect unity.
Those of us with religious upbringing can see 10 in the 10
commandments and other important symbols.
Symbolic connections between 9 and 11, are exactly what moves away
from that wholeness, and emphasizes the distinction from wholeness.
You might think I'm only talking about the WTC 9/11 case, but you'll
understand soon.
I don't think there has to be a cosmic force to make more destructions
on dates with 9 and 11, but somehow this combination affects enough
people for us to have more on such dates.
Maybe the explanation I gave for why this could happen doesn't
convince, but this is not the point, the point is that it is like
that, statistically, as we'll see in some detailed examples.
For simplicity, I'll use both the European style of writing dates -
day.month.year - E - and the North-American style - month.day.year - U.
You might think that finding 9's and 11's in the 20th century is not
so hard, but remember, the 20th century was the most bloody of them
all, which strengthens my theory.
Do you see any combinations between 9 and 11 in the following dates ?
(remember the mind reads digits one by one...)
WTC destruction:
9.11.2001 U
Crystal night, first major violent breakout before the holocaust,
became a memory of a day of destruction:
9.11.1938 E
WW2:
9.1.1939 U
Murder of Kennedy:
22.11.1963 E
Murder of Gandhi:
30.1.1938 E
Murder of Israel's prime minster, Rabin:
4.11.1995 E
Attempted murder of Jordanian King, King Hussein and the start of
Black September:
9.1.1970 U
Gulf War:
1.15.1991 U
15.1.1991 E
And there's more, but I think the list is enough.
Anyone who disagrees, and thinks I'm not convincing enough, is welcome
to present another pair of numbers, whose combination appears in so
many dates that became memories of destruction, and I think it is fair
to request that at least one of the numbers in the pair will be a
2-digit-number.
(Don't tell me 1 and 9, OK ?)
I don't think, and I don't claim, that this is total.
You have many dates with 9 and 11 without any problem, and you also
have destructions in other dates, but this is still a statistical
abnormality.
I'll soon show how the 9-11 combination became a destruction-date in
more than the Western calender to prove my point.
Before that, I'd like to talk a little about the American emergency
phone number
911
We usually think of it as
dial nine-one-one
But originally it was promoted as
dial nine-eleven.
A lot of people complained "they can't find the eleven" so they
changed the way they say it.
So originally the 9-11 combination also appeared in emergency cases.
Police, Fire Department, Medical help, all in one number.
And when do you call ?
When you are more away from the feeling or delusion that everything is
complete and perfect.
So once again, the 9-11 combination is connected in many persons'
minds with "something bad is happening".
You can also see something interesting with Roman numerations.
9 - IX
11 - XI
Again showing that the human mind sees them as "one away from 10",
while X is the most symmetric of all the Roman numerals (both
top-bottom and right-left symmetries, and 90 degrees rotation symmetry
if it's a "perfect" X.), and it's the only letter used (I,V,X,L,C,D,M)
that you can't write in one time without lifting the pen or going over
the same line twice, making it more "special" for the mind, two
symmetrical lines meeting each other in the middle.
Now I'll move to another calender:
The Hebrew Year of Judaism. One of the oldest calenders still in use.
It goes both by the sun and by the moon, making itself more accurate
than the Western calender, or the Muslim one, as far as "making the
year accurate and on time" goes.
Unlike other calenders and traditions, the Jews somehow combined all
their major destruction stories, to one date that symbolizes destruction
The Ninth of AV.
While AV is the 11th month of the Hebrew year.
(The Hebrew calender / calenders have several new-years, but the most
common, and the only one used until today, is the one who starts the
year with a holiday called "The head of the year", in which the digit
of the years increases by one, and is in a month (always a new-moon
day) who is always 2 months after AV, and basically 10 months before
AV, making AV the 11th month, in a 12 months year, eventually making
the 9th of AV, as the 9th of the 11th Month.)
This is a list of destructions that are associated with that date,some
of them are made so by formal Jewish religious law,some are
historically documented, some are of an unknown enough source, and
even if some of it is made up (by others of course, not by me), it
still shows that there's a tendency of the mind to connect
destructions with 9-11-combination-dates:
The fall of the first temple.
(this in the bible appears in 2 places, one as 7th of AV, the other as
10th of AV, but formal Judaism is considering it as 9th of Av, and
this is the official day of fasting and mourning about it, which is
also obligatory, for religious Jews).
The fall of the second temple.
Destruction of Jerusalem by the Romans
Expulsion of Jews from Spain
1942
(A major event in Jewish history, highly documented).
Roman Jews are put in ghettos in Rome.
1555
Expulsion from England and in another year, from France.
First World War
1914
(Calculated by the date Germany declared war on Russia, and it became
a world war, WW1).
The Jews also believe that in the bible, the Hebrews traveled for 40
years in the desert, instead of going straight into their Promised
Land, because they were punished by God for some sin, called "the sin
of the spies", and that punishment is considered to have taken place
on the Ninth of Av, as well as all the others.
So what do we see ?
Nowadays, the 9-11 combination has become a date that symbolizes
destruction in more than one calender.
(There's more symmetry between the 9-11's of the Western and Hebrew
calenders main destruction date - the fall of The Temple,and the fall
of The Towers. Both in a mythological city - Jerusalem is the most
mythological city for the Jewish people, and NYC is deeply connected
to the American Dream, with its Statue of Liberty, welcoming the
immigrants, as well as possessing other American-Dream-Symbols, and
both destructions are on a 9-11 date in the year).
I can't be sure you're convinced why this is happening.
But it does.
Even if some of those destructions, or those dates, are pure
accidents, it causes more fear of those dates eventually.
And again, I'm not saying all destructions are on those dates. I don't
know the dates of the atomic bombing of Japan in the Japanese
calender, but I believe there's enough data to see that something is
going on.
And this finally concludes the second argument.
3.
My third argument:
Starting from 2012, we have much less dates with 9-11 combinations in
the Western calender, (which is the most important and globally used
calender).
In the 20th century, we had the most dates with such a combination.
In the beginning of the 21st, we have a little less.
Ever since 2012, the years don't give us any 11 at all, and we got a 9
in the years only once every 10 years, and in the 2090s which result
in 19 years with a 9 in the year, in all the century, compared to 100
years with a 9, in the 20th century.
So:
I.
If a combination between a 9 and an 11 causes destruction, then we'll
have less destructions.
II.
If such a combination makes people afraid, then we have less reasons
to fear.
III.
If you think such dates don't mean anything at all, then it wouldn't
get any worse, not because of this anyway.
IV.
If enough extreme people go crazy especially on such dates, then they
have less reasons to go crazy.
4.
My fourth argument:
All the spiritual, cultural, pseudo-scientific interest around the
change of 2012, is because of the 9-11 symbolism I showed.
Check out the date given to mark the change:
12.21.2012 U
21.12.2012 E
The year:
2012
Right after 2011, and shortly after 2009, just as they disappear from
the digits of the years.
The Month:
December
The 12th month, right after the 11th month and shortly after
September, just as they disappear from the digits of the months.
The day
21
Not one digit like a 9
Not 1X like an 11
not 20 like 9 + 11
The 21st day of the 12th month of the only year with a 12 in its
digits, in the 21st Century.
So much charm, so much completeness, and wholeness, and symmetry, and
even perfection. you got the 1 and 0 of the 10, next to each other.
you got nothing to remind of the "away from completeness" in this
date. Nothing to remind you of the 9-11 combinations.
no 9
12 and 21
right before 2013
and right before Christmas (never 9 or 11 on Christmas in the
day.month duo)
or 13.0.0.0.0
you got 12, 13, and 21, all can be seen as "going away from 11".
This is truly a nice charming date which symbolizes a drastic change
from a period we had many 9-11 combinations in the Western calender,
to a period with much much less.
One of the things 2012 theorists talk about, is the subject of time,
and the change of time, and the change of the perception of time. They
all fail to understand that what will really happen, is that as far as
dates go, time will affect us differently. This is the expected change
in our "connection with time".
Time will be much less frightening and much less dangerous.
One last thing.
If somehow I gave you a reason to think the coming 2009 and 2011 will
be horrible, this is not necessarily what I think. 1909 and 1911 were
not so nice as years, but certainly not the worst of the 20th century.
(We had more 9-11 combos in any year of the 20th century than is
expected in 2009 and 2011)
And even so, by 2013 it will be behind us.
I'd be more than happy to get interesting remarks, as long as they are
to the point, about my theory.
(please don't analyze my signature in your replies)
BLUE ELECTRIC MONKEY
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Some more calculations for those interested:
I defined a "charming date" as a date made of only 3 digits (or less).
Like:
1.1.2000
1.2.2000
2.2.2000 (two digits)
and many more in 2000
and also
so much many
in
2001-2012
like
X.X.200X
10.10.2010
11.11.2011
12.12.2012
you got here 13 years with a lot of "charming dates", and even 13
years in a row, with a date in each year, with a certain number, that
appears both in the day, in the month, in the year, and in a "charming
date".
Now what happens in 2010-2012 ?
This is very special.
All "charming dates" in these 3 years, are with the same 3 digits: 0,1,2
Actually, we get 120 "charming dates" in these years, all with the
same 3 digits, and with no other "charming date" in the middle which
is made of a different combination of 3 digits.
(If you can't see why this doesn't happen in 2000-2002, or in
2020-2022, think of 3.3.2000 or 4.4.2022.)
All this period of 2000-2012, is with the most charm in numbers
possible since we started counting.
2100-2102 is the only next time in the coming millennium with 120
"charming dates in a row all from the same 3 digits". (you need 3
years in a row, all with the same 3 digits that you are talking about,
and all 3 digits appearing in all 3 years)
And when does the charm "end" this time ?
22.12.2012
This is the last of those 120 "charming dates". Right next to the
famous 21.12.2012 to whom the change of time is usually attributed.
(why 120 dates? think of 1.1.2010, 2.1.2010, 10.1.2010, 11.1.2010,
12.1.2010 and 20th,21st and ,22nd of that month. 8 such "charming
dates" in January alone. now switch the month to 2,10,11 or 12, and we
get 5 such months, which gives us a total of 40 such dates in the
year, and another 40 in each of the following years, resulting in a
total of 120).
After that, not only will time frighten us less, it will also charm us
less, making us over all less affected by time, and more "free" from it.
I also guess, that all this 2012 obsession nowadays, is strongly
connected to the fact that "This is the time that dates have charmed
us more than ever before". And after 2012, these kind of obsessions
will cool down, as Time charms us less and less, or frighten us with a
9-11 combo, less and less.
I always considered 21.12.2012 to be such a beautiful date, but now it
seems to me more as a beautiful period of time.
So many dates, in 3 years, all with same digits of the 21.12.2012.
After filling our minds with obsessions about that date, I guess
something like this might happen to us in 2010:
"so many dates seem like 21.12.2012, what's going on ?"
And in 2013, the process is over.
2013 might appeal to the eye, consisting of 0,1,2,3 but these are 4
digits, not 3, and therefore no more "charming dates" until 2020,
(again, if this is how we define charm), and not a huge amount of them
until 2100-2102, and nothing quite like the charm of 2000-2012, the
biggest charm ever, past and future.
(you get some good charm in 1000-1012, but no "three years period of
the 'same' charm").
(3000-3013 don't give you so much charm, 2 is much more common than 3
in the days and in the months, even though 3 is just a little more in
the days than the 0, and we're gonna have some good charm in
2131-2133, 2311-2313, 3121-3123 and 3211-3213
(days and months with 0 and 3: days: 3,10,13,20,23,30,31, months: 3, 10),
The bottom line:
Nothing like this 2000-2012 charm since ever we can really remember,
and nothing like we can predict in any sense of future, and with
nothing even coming close, until 2100-2102.
For all reasons mentioned, our time is the perfect
"time-dates-obsession-period".
The universe is built on the formula of physics...so I'm sure everything ties in with some sort of number system, but I have no idea what they are. I do find it interesting how many cultures and religions, including the Christian bible I believe in, have similar 'end dates'. Interesting thread topic!
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All the Truth about 2012
