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I'm the first to admit that I'm tougher (). But seriously, to my mind 6F is mild for a winter minimum. For goodness sake, you can't even get a couple of nights below zero in an average winter (to have a complete winter some bitter cold is required IMO). Now, if you were in a maritime climate that doesn't have much variation, then 6F might go with a cold winter, but of course you're not in one.
I'm not saying that 6F isn't cold - it is, especially for the warm weather fans such as yourself. But for an absolute minimum it's mild. If your average low was 6F, then of course you wouldn't have a mild winter.
I'd also like to point out that my post about mild winters also applied to the others who recorded much warmer minima.
To be honest (now don't get the idea I'm a cold weather fan - lol)...it is nice to get those cold days now and then. temps in the 20's (at night) and in the 30's or 40's (day ) are not tough to take I admit. What I despise (and some year we have it...some years we don't) is the duration of the cold. If I had a few nights and days in the 20's/30's...the a group of days in the 60's and 70's (say 45 F at night) I could take it much better. What kills me (or makes me flee to southern climes) is when the NYC area is stuck in 2, 3, 4 ...etc weeks of daily highs in the middle 30's and nightime lows in the 20's. It's just too much for a WWF.
I'm the first to admit that I'm tougher (). But seriously, to my mind 6F is mild for a winter minimum. For goodness sake, you can't even get a couple of nights below zero in an average winter (to have a complete winter some bitter cold is required IMO). Now, if you were in a maritime climate that doesn't have much variation, then 6F might go with a cold winter, but of course you're not in one.
I'm not saying that 6F isn't cold - it is, especially for the warm weather fans such as yourself. But for an absolute minimum it's mild. If your average low was 6F, then of course you wouldn't have a mild winter.
Couldn't agree more. Anything above 0°F for an absolute low makes for a lame (or at least incomplete) winter.
But Victoria is interesting because much of the BC south coast got pounded with tons of snow and hammered with temperatures below -10 while Victoria only recorded a low of -5
To be subtropical under the Koeppen system a location must:
> Have a mean temperature between -3C (26.6F) and 18C (64.4F) for its coldest month
> Have at least one month over 22C (71.6F)
> Year-round rainfall distribution OR a much drier winter than summer
Sochi, Russia fulfills these requirements.
In the U.S., the northernmost location I can find that surely fulfills these "requirements" is Providence, RI (41:44N).
Inland (at least) the temperature requirements are fulfilled as far north as Kansas City, MO, Elsberry, MO (north of St. Louis); Charleston, IL; Indianapolis, IN (right on the edge); Dayton, OH; Columbus, OH; Erie, PA; Pittsburgh, PA. (Yes, Erie is "humid subtropical" - coldest month is 26.9, warmest 72.1).
As I mentioed to others...my guess is that the orginal Koppen system of "C" climates with the temp guidlines you have where never ment to be "subtropical"....Koppen called them "Warm Temperate Rainy Climates". For some reason, 100 years later people assumed that when they look at his map the C areas mean subtropical. Not sure how that happened.
So places like NYC are not subtropical - they are "Warm Temperate". The later revison of the old Koppen system by Trewartha created a true subtropical zone; The guidlines where that 8 (or more) months had to have a mean temp of 10 C (50 F) or higher. This created a more realistic "subtropical " zone not only in the states but other areas as well. Here is the updated Trewartha-Koppen climate classification map....on the East Coast the "Cfa" subtropical zone is well south of NYC and starts in eastern North Carolina (NYC is located in the Dca or Temperate warm summer climate):
Is this some kind of zombie virus doing the rounds?
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