08-20-2015, 08:47 PM
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Hello everyone. Im new to the area just moved down from up north. Looking for houses under 450,000, but I noticed something that I really are not used to. A lot of these houses have mandatory country club membership. I dont really need any golf or social or anything that comes with them. But some of these seem really expensive, like 15k a year? Florida has low property taxes, but this just seems like another expense that makes taxes just as high as NJ my former state. Thanks.
08-22-2015, 07:22 AM
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Welcome to Florida. We went through the same as you when we moved from N.E. You are correct that the fees can be high. They pay for the upkeep and the amenities of the club which could be golf, tennis, pool, clubhouse, maintenance of the grounds, etc. For some it is worth it as it presents a convenient lifestyle that they can enjoy. For others it is not at all desirable. You need to carefully weigh the pros and cons for yourself. One by-product of having these fees, etc. is that it tends to put downward pressure on the value of the house. So that may be the reason you see a house for say $450k in one of these communities that is nicer or larger than some for $450k outside. You may find that you can spend less on the house and possibly making it more in line with what you are willing to spend overall.
08-29-2015, 04:19 PM
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Ok. Any other experiences?
08-30-2015, 09:48 AM
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Wilddieng
Ok. Any other experiences?
As posted earlier, the club expense can strangle the resale values especially as the club ages both in building year and membership average age.....Older clubs need new younger members and they want all the modern amenities of a nice new clubhouse which costs money that the older members do not want to spend.
Look at Boca West.....multiple golf courses with a big clubhouse. The social membership is $70,000 with annual dues of 12,000 a year (mandatory). They have 2/2 condos in there you can buy for as little as $2500, yep two thousand five hundred dollars! You must join the club, which kills the resale on the condos so they essentially have to be given away!
2.5K condo costs:
+ 70K club initiation
+ 12K annual dues
+ 450 month condo HOA fee
http://www.realtor.com/realestateand...70-93984?row=6
There are 5 more in the same building priced less.......
In my opinion, if you don't want the club experience don't buy in a CC neighborhood. When some of these condos were sold, club membership wasn't mandatory. Now since it is so your 150K condo is now worth $2500 due to the mandatory membership.
Golf/Country Clubs are a broken model. Too many older members who can't play anymore, young people don't play and certainly don't want to pay for it. Clubs have huge payrolls, overhead expenses and it all gets passed on to the members......bad math
08-30-2015, 02:16 PM
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OH man, they went up. When we sold our Boca places we had had a great time with family and friends but the prices did not really go up that much. Guess where we made the most money....on selling our memberships. Big increases.
08-30-2015, 05:35 PM
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City Guy997S
As posted earlier, the club expense can strangle the resale values especially as the club ages both in building year and membership average age.....Older clubs need new younger members and they want all the modern amenities of a nice new clubhouse which costs money that the older members do not want to spend.
Look at Boca West.....multiple golf courses with a big clubhouse. The social membership is $70,000 with annual dues of 12,000 a year (mandatory). They have 2/2 condos in there you can buy for as little as $2500, yep two thousand five hundred dollars! You must join the club, which kills the resale on the condos so they essentially have to be given away!
2.5K condo costs:
+ 70K club initiation
+ 12K annual dues
+ 450 month condo HOA fee
http://www.realtor.com/realestateand...70-93984?row=6
There are 5 more in the same building priced less.......
In my opinion, if you don't want the club experience don't buy in a CC neighborhood. When some of these condos were sold, club membership wasn't mandatory. Now since it is so your 150K condo is now worth $2500 due to the mandatory membership.
Golf/Country Clubs are a broken model. Too many older members who can't play anymore, young people don't play and certainly don't want to pay for it. Clubs have huge payrolls, overhead expenses and it all gets passed on to the members......bad math
I have a friend that lives there in Boca West. When they moved in, it was $25,000 a year. Now it is $75,000 not including the tennis that play which is $12-1500 extra a year somewhere they told me. They got assessed 2 years ago since the place was installing new windows and I don't know how much that cost either. I think they have to pay so much to the country club for the restaurants whether they eat there or not, I don't know. They have like 3 restaurants there, gym and so much more. They toured me around the place once and there are more than condos there. They have garden homes, high rise condos as well as beautiful homes...and of course a security entrances 24/7. They love it there and they have friends there too. Oh, and there is a dog park there too. Anyways, what is the annual dues for~? I thought the initial dues was high enough. I'm sure each community pays an HOA fee of some sort.
09-09-2015, 09:45 PM
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I have noticed that almost every community has a HOA which is not an issue. With HOA and Property taxes combined, im still not paying nearly as much as I was in New Jersey. I am just in no way interested in spending 75k for tennis and golf which I do not play....
09-10-2015, 06:48 AM
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There are non golf communities in Boca in your price range.
09-10-2015, 07:56 AM
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Also, many clubs offer a social membership for considerably less than golf or tennis which would allow access to all other amenities such as gym, pool , restaurant - whatever.
09-17-2015, 12:30 AM
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There are non golf communities in Boca in your price range.
I am attached to Boca because it is a very nice town, but mainly the schools. The school system is very important for my search. My oldest is graduating hs this year, but I have 2 middle schoolers and one in kindergarten. Currently renting in Broward county, and the schools here are a nightmare... I have been looking at boynton beach also, I just do not want to commute more than 20-25 minutes. I work in lauderdale lakes.
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Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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