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40% in Iowa and Minnesota? Where is your link to back up that assertion? Alternative energy can be useful, but it is too unreliable to not use as a backup only, in spite of what the proponents say.
And, those people whose families were plunged into poverty when they lost their power plant jobs in the midwest and Ohio Valley to satisfy the psuedo moralistic demands of those in the northeast have your neighbors to blame. The same folks who continue to burn oil for heat like the hypocrits they truly have shown themselves to be.
It is not impossible to have gas heat in rural areas. It is just expensive to put in the infrastructure, but we have it all over West Virginia and there are lots of rural areas here. The people in New England are just too damned cheap to do it, but they will criticize everyone else to deflect from their own shortcomings. Same goes for septic and public water. Who every heard of a town with 20,000 people who don't have those basic services? They don't exist here, but they definitely do in Connecticut. I used to live in one.
40% in Iowa and Minnesota? Where is your link to back up that assertion? Alternative energy can be useful, but it is too unreliable to not use as a backup only, in spite of what the proponents say.
And, those people whose families were plunged into poverty when they lost their power plant jobs in the midwest and Ohio Valley to satisfy the psuedo moralistic demands of those in the northeast have your neighbors to blame. The same folks who continue to burn oil for heat like the hypocrits they truly have shown themselves to be.
It is not impossible to have gas heat in rural areas. It is just expensive to put in the infrastructure, but we have it all over West Virginia and there are lots of rural areas here. The people in New England are just too damned cheap to do it, but they will criticize everyone else to deflect from their own shortcomings. Same goes for septic and public water. Who every heard of a town with 20,000 people who don't have those basic services? They don't exist here, but they definitely do in Connecticut. I used to live in one.
Exponential growth in wind energy for the state which means stable electricity prices without exponential growth in carbon output.
"And, those people whose families were plunged into poverty when they lost their power plant jobs in the midwest and Ohio Valley to satisfy the psuedo moralistic demands of those in the northeast have your neighbors to blame. The same folks who continue to burn oil for heat like the hypocrits they truly have shown themselves to be"
You are insinuating a strawman agrument here. The technologies have exisited for years to clean up many of these coal power plants but big coal wanted nothing to do with it. Why is it an all or nothing approach for us to have cleaner air and jobs. Those two must not be mutually exclusive. The upwind states have not acted as good neighbors as air pollution knows no state line borders. Yes, I definitely feel for those that have lost jobs, but blame can be spread other entities as well.
"The people in New England are just too damned cheap to do it, but they will criticize everyone else to deflect from their own shortcomings. Same goes for septic and public water. Who every heard of a town with 20,000 people who don't have those basic services? "
The county in NH I am most familiar with is Carroll, which has total county population of 47,000 and a population density of 50 people per square mile. NH does not have extensive state revenue sources because the state has always been and remains fiscally conservative. NH has no income tax or sales tax. In the county town water, gas, and sewer are found in places like Wolfeboro, Sanbornville village, Conway, and North Conway. The rest of the county is on well and septic with heating derived from the following sources: heating oil, propane, kerosene, electric, wood stove, pellet stove, and gas stove.
Exponential growth in wind energy for the state which means stable electricity prices without exponential growth in carbon output.
"And, those people whose families were plunged into poverty when they lost their power plant jobs in the midwest and Ohio Valley to satisfy the psuedo moralistic demands of those in the northeast have your neighbors to blame. The same folks who continue to burn oil for heat like the hypocrits they truly have shown themselves to be"
You are insinuating a strawman agrument here. The technologies have exisited for years to clean up many of these coal power plants but big coal wanted nothing to do with it. Why is it an all or nothing approach for us to have cleaner air and jobs. Those two must not be mutually exclusive. The upwind states have not acted as good neighbors as air pollution knows no state line borders. Yes, I definitely feel for those that have lost jobs, but blame can be spread other entities as well.
"The people in New England are just too damned cheap to do it, but they will criticize everyone else to deflect from their own shortcomings. Same goes for septic and public water. Who every heard of a town with 20,000 people who don't have those basic services? "
The county in NH I am most familiar with is Carroll, which has total county population of 47,000 and a population density of 50 people per square mile. NH does not have extensive state revenue sources because the state has always been and remains fiscally conservative. NH has no income tax or sales tax. In the county town water, gas, and sewer are found in places like Wolfeboro, Sanbornville village, Conway, and North Conway. The rest of the county is on well and septic with heating derived from the following sources: heating oil, propane, kerosene, electric, wood stove, pellet stove, and gas stove.
Take a closer look at the article you posted. It posits as much as 17% to 20% of Iowa electric comes from wind (you said 40%), but goes on to say the overwhelming majority comes from coal. And, during periods when there is little or no wind, all of it would be coming from coal so the coal capacity must be maintained at the current level or there would be times when the state's electric grid would simply shut down. That is what I meant by using alternatives as being useful but it is highly unlikely they will ever be dominant.
So let's see... you're saying its okay to use political pressure to shut down coal fired power plants and put thousands out of work (all the while feeling sorry for them... that's very generous of you and really helpful to them), because folks "upwind'" don't want to pay to implement technology which you claim is readily available. Then, in the next paragraph you make excuses for New Hampshire not implementing readily available technology to reduce carbon emmisions because it is too expensive for them to do so? How very Northeast of you.
How do your "fiscal conservatives" get a free pass when you are so quick to condemn ours?
And, sewage and clean water implementation? Is New Hampshire any more rural in character than West Virginia? I highly doubt it. And, at least on paper to this point you folks have more money up there. We aggressively attack ground water pollution here with ever improving water treatment and sewage facilities and make a sincere effort to provide a potable public water source for everyone using a Public Service District approach.
My point is, you uppity New Englanders need to stop attacking our jobs and focus on your own shortcomings. In doing that, you might actually do something to solve a problem rather than creating problems for others.
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