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Old 03-15-2013, 07:27 PM
 
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No you wouldn't. You simply don't grant them disability benefits when they could still work even if it's not in their previous profession.


There is no magic machine that can measure this.

I know in your black and white world you think it is easy to do, but it isnt.

The problem is a society where labor is treated like crap and companies can do what they want. Free healthcare and taking care of the workers.
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Old 03-15-2013, 09:12 PM
 
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No you wouldn't. You simply don't grant them disability benefits when they could still work even if it's not in their previous profession.
Not all injuries or things that keep people from working are readily apparent just from looking at somebody.
A lot of people are in intense pain or suffering and you can't see it. A coal miner with black lung, for example, often looks just like anybody else.
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Old 03-16-2013, 05:23 AM
 
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Not all injuries or things that keep people from working are readily apparent just from looking at somebody.
A lot of people are in intense pain or suffering and you can't see it. A coal miner with black lung, for example, often looks just like anybody else.
I never said that there wasn't anyone that should be eligible. If you are a bricklayer and blow out your knee's, O.K., you can no longer lay bricks but you can still answer a phone.
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Old 03-16-2013, 08:38 AM
 
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So what you're saying here is 10% more West Virginians have to collect disability than the average of other states. Why would that be surprising? Typically, West Virginians work at more hazzardous occupations than they do elsewhere... coal miners, chemical workers, lumberjacks and so forth... these are dangerous things to do.
Let's look at this another way... West Virginia has the lowest percentage of people receiving income maintenance for non-disability reasons.
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Old 03-16-2013, 09:00 PM
 
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I never said that there wasn't anyone that should be eligible. If you are a bricklayer and blow out your knee's, O.K., you can no longer lay bricks but you can still answer a phone.


Not necessarily. You might have to take medication that inhibits your ability to do that. Then there is the matter of retraining. Not everyone is suitable for retraining. The matter is far more complex that you seem to want to make it.
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Old 03-18-2013, 06:05 PM
 
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Not necessarily. You might have to take medication that inhibits your ability to do that. Then there is the matter of retraining. Not everyone is suitable for retraining. The matter is far more complex that you seem to want to make it.
I'm not writing policy.
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Old 03-18-2013, 06:15 PM
 
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I'm not writing policy.
Nobody said you were.

However, if you were id imagine you would try to deny more people and come down hard on the whole system. You are not a person who is sympathetic to the plight of blue collar workers.
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Old 03-19-2013, 07:35 AM
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Nobody said you were.

However, if you were id imagine you would try to deny more people and come down hard on the whole system. You are not a person who is sympathetic to the plight of blue collar workers.
Being sympathetic does not mean refusing to acknowledge the problem.

It is apparent to everyone that the disability system is fraught with abuse and fraud. We need to go after people who are receiving payments based on fraudulent claims. But that alone is not enough. We also need to go after attorney's who are happy to defraud the legal system and law judges who are, at best, incompetent and at worst, getting kickbacks for delivering favorable decision.
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Old 03-19-2013, 08:20 AM
 
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Being sympathetic does not mean refusing to acknowledge the problem.

It is apparent to everyone that the disability system is fraught with abuse and fraud. We need to go after people who are receiving payments based on fraudulent claims. But that alone is not enough. We also need to go after attorney's who are happy to defraud the legal system and law judges who are, at best, incompetent and at worst, getting kickbacks for delivering favorable decision.
OK go for it. However that is often more expensive to investigate and enforce than the amount it would save.

It would be easier to just have free healthcare so less people go on disability.
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Old 03-20-2013, 05:16 PM
 
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There is no such thing as free healthcare.
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