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Old 10-20-2014, 10:36 AM
 
Location: McKinleyville, California
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^^^ Hey Spunky,

No need to be on the attack. Just because you don't believe in a creator, doesn't mean he doesn't exist. The unfortunate blunder of secularist is that they are just as easily accepting of wrong information from a young age as religious people are. Schools teach evolution in schools and don't give the same credible time in class for the study of creation. The debate isn't one sided, and creation should be given just as much a chance as evolution. Science isn't weighted in any one direction of belief, as creationist and young earth scientist use the same evidence to prove the existence of a creator.

What atheist lack is the acceptance of sin. Are you implying that people don't have struggles? Are you also implying that man and woman weren't specifically designed for each other, and that people of the same sex were designed for each other?

Flaws is something we all face, and homosexuals need to embrace that they are simply struggling with something just as someone would struggle with adultery, drunkenness, or anger. We all have issues to work on, and we all need to try to over come them. Science proves that man and woman are meant to be together and that two people of the same sex weren't. You don't see animals doing things unnatural. That is because humans are different and are held accountable for their actions. Man and Woman were designed for each other, and anything but is simply not natural! What is natural though, is humanities imperfection. Since all people have different struggles, some struggle with homosexuality. One of my personal struggles is bitterness, and God sees it the same as he sees the gay or lesbian. He loves and wants to change me, but hates my sin! Sin can be overcome, so lets help those in need in stead of making their struggles continue to spread.

And in regards to my "religion". Calling something a fairy tale simply because you lack the faith is pretty childish. That would be the same in saying (God doesn't believe in atheist, therefore they do not exist). Atheist can't prove God doesn't exist. I know one thing, according to "secular origins" everything was created from the same event (the big bang THEORY). They want us as a society to believe that life and complexity came from a massive explosion, but they can't believe in the idea of an intelligent designer.

Simply put, man and woman are meant to be married and only them. Marriage is a sacred "religious" exercise that was first ordained by God himself straight from the book of Genesis.
Just because you beleive in one, does not mean it exists.

Marriage is a secular institution with rights granted by the US federal government and by state governments only. Not one single church wedding grants any rights. Couples that wed in a church only and do not get a marriage license, do not have any of those 1049 federal rights, nor any of the state rights, they may as well be single. Being that the rights of marriage are secular and the government does not base its qualifiers for marriage on the bible, but on what is fair and equal for ALL of the US citizens and does not encourage discrimination on the basis of sex, race or sexual orientation, marriage will soon be equal for all US citizens. Only a civil marriage is legal in the USA, not a church wedding, not a domestic partnership or any civil unions.

 
Old 10-20-2014, 11:24 AM
 
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Just because you beleive in one, does not mean it exists.

Marriage is a secular institution with rights granted by the US federal government and by state governments only. Not one single church wedding grants any rights. Couples that wed in a church only and do not get a marriage license, do not have any of those 1049 federal rights, nor any of the state rights, they may as well be single. Being that the rights of marriage are secular and the government does not base its qualifiers for marriage on the bible, but on what is fair and equal for ALL of the US citizens and does not encourage discrimination on the basis of sex, race or sexual orientation, marriage will soon be equal for all US citizens. Only a civil marriage is legal in the USA, not a church wedding, not a domestic partnership or any civil unions.
Not true.
 
Old 10-20-2014, 12:28 PM
 
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Not true.
Please elaborate.
 
Old 10-20-2014, 06:27 PM
 
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Please elaborate.
Marriage isn't just a secular institution. Rights aren't granted just by the government either. It was long policy of hospitals to only allow spouses in to see someone admitted. Not live in's. (though that has largely went by the wayside).

Most do not get married to get tax credits. It is something the government grants but it isn't why people get married. People got married long before there was tax credits.

A church wedding is legal. Civil Unions are legal in the U.S.
 
Old 10-20-2014, 10:30 PM
 
Location: McKinleyville, California
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Marriage isn't just a secular institution. Rights aren't granted just by the government either. It was long policy of hospitals to only allow spouses in to see someone admitted. Not live in's. (though that has largely went by the wayside).

Most do not get married to get tax credits. It is something the government grants but it isn't why people get married. People got married long before there was tax credits.

A church wedding is legal. Civil Unions are legal in the U.S.
A church wedding is not legal without it having a marriage license and the federal government refuses to recongize any civil unions. So on both counts you are again wrong.
 
Old 10-21-2014, 03:37 AM
 
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A church wedding is not legal without it having a marriage license
That isn't what was said.

Only a civil marriage is legal in the USA, not a church wedding

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and the federal government refuses to recongize any civil unions. So on both counts you are again wrong.
There was no distinction in the original post.
 
Old 10-21-2014, 05:00 AM
Yac
 
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Right... so I take no one is interested in discussing this without inserting religion, even those that are not religious ?
this should have remained closed as despite my warnings to get back on topic and not discuss religion, you can't stop doing that.
Closed.
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