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Old 08-16-2020, 09:24 AM
 
Location: Charles Town, WV
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Just out of curiosity, what is so sad about Northern Virginia? Virginia would essentially be Mississippi or West Virginia without it. I'll take our highest percentage of people with college / graduate degrees in the country, highest median incomes in the nation, diverse population of people from all over the country and world, favorable tax structure compared to the NE and West Coast, constantly growing economy, etc. And (not so) shockingly - none of us had our guns taken away despite all the big hype by the big tough guys who had to march on Richmond.

All these 'progressive elites' in Northern Virginia and around Richmond are basically keeping the rest of the state afloat. Far red areas of the state seem to have no issue with all of the tax money we send in and there are just as many far right politicians in Virginia (we managed to elect people like Ken Cuccinelli and Corey Stewart after all) as far left. The majority of politicos in the state are fairly centrist which is why you saw Bernie fail miserably here. You mentioned jobs- there must be a reason why most of the Eastern Panhandle commutes to them here versus in their own backyard...
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In reading the post, I don’t see where billscamaros said anything is wrong with noVA. Merely that it is overwhelming the majority of the rest of the state. That seems to be factually true.
Yes, I'm referring to the fact that the four NOVA counties were able to overwhelm the rest of the state during this past election season. NOVA population has exploded over the past decades as non-Virginians have moved in. Blue NOVA was able to overwhelm red Virginia.

I lived in NOVA from 1983 thru 2001 and enjoyed my time there. I still work in NOVA ..... it is my backyard. It was a great place to live through the 80's and 90's.

I've heard the mantra that they are the highest degreed, highest paid and most globally diverse area of the country many times ... almost as though there is something wrong with everywhere else. At this point, NOVA is way too overcrowded for me. While the attributes listed are probably true, they also bring a downside. I'm fortunate that I was able to leave and move into the eastern panhandle.

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Old 08-16-2020, 04:33 PM
 
Location: Arlington, VA
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The exact same thing is happening in a lot of places though - Metro Atlanta versus the rest of Georgia, Charlotte & Raleigh/ Durham versus the rest of North Carolina, South Florida versus the rest of Florida- we just happened to be a few years ahead here. It began decades ago with New York City, Chicagoland and LA/ San Fran versus rural areas in their respective states. I guess I don't know what the answer is- people are largely drawn to the metro areas for jobs. It will be interesting to see what happens with Covid- I've seen no real estate slowdown here inside-the-Beltway but have heard differing things from New York and Chicago. I am glad you enjoy the Panhandle. It's nice to have breathing room. I spend a lot of time on family land near Petersburg- good to get away.
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Old 08-16-2020, 04:45 PM
 
Location: Arlington, VA
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I consider myself a moderate, remain undecided, and agree with some of her positions and not others. As most others have stated, I expect 20 +/- 5 pt win for Capito. The green new deal is the proverbial nail in the coffin. The income of too many people and communities are still dependent on fossil fuels with ‘green’ being a code word for job losses in a poor Appalachian town in favor of a higher electric bill from solar/wind designed in San Francisco and built overseas. I actually agree with her, the economy needs to be diversified and “green” energy should be built in coal country which has suffered the job losses.

What has Capito done? She’s not perceived as an enemy of Christians, the 2nd Amendment, and has name recognition. This formula carried Manchin, a Democrat, to victory 2 years ago. Yes he pushed background checks a few years ago but ran way more pro-gun ads than his opponent.


In reading the post, I don’t see where billscamaros said anything is wrong with noVA. Merely that it is overwhelming the majority of the rest of the state. That seems to be factually true.

The largest part of your reported positives are because of all the federal dollars along with associated lobbying, incomes, etc. that go along with gov’t operations. But ya know, maybe it is the rest of Va views noVA as a savior for which they would be broke without and are appreciative of opposing views imposed upon them.
Well I guess one could describe it as 'returning the favor'- downstate Republicans here in Virginia got to impose their views that many in this area opposed because they had the majority for decades upon decades.

Agree with everything you said regarding Capito and Manchin.
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Old 08-17-2020, 06:50 AM
 
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Well I guess one could describe it as 'returning the favor'- downstate Republicans here in Virginia got to impose their views that many in this area opposed because they had the majority for decades upon decades.
I agree with most of what you’ve said on the past 2 posts. Starting out I had to spend several years in Va Beach after living in rural Va but found acreage and room to get away in WV as well. It will be interesting to see what impact COVID plays especially if remote work continues or the social unrest in metro areas.

I’m just saddened because the urban/rural divide in Va to me seems relatively new. I seem to remember Bob McDonnell doing very well in noVA, Wilder and Robb winning going back to the 80s and 90s. More conservative overall but always a swing state while WV was solidly democratic and one of only 4-5 states to go for Carter in 1980. The two Virginias are perhaps destined to look at the world differently.

Meanwhile it seems we agree there is really no chance for Swearengin, probably about the same chance as Gade.

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Old 08-17-2020, 10:12 AM
 
Location: Reston, Virginia
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Whether Swearengin has a chance or not, I think we can all agree that she would be a better alternative to Capito, right? She seems like she genuinely cares about the struggles of the people in the poorest state in the US quite a lot. The fact that Swearengin is only funded by individual donors and won't take any corporate money and isn't funded by the coal industry (probably the only WV politician who won't take coal money) is proof that she cares. I think the biggest turn-off for her is not because she's a weak candidate or because her policy proposals are too insane, but because she has a D in front of her name, and most WVians see Democrats as anti-coal, "radical socialists", and coastal elitists out of touch with the working man. Whether Swearengin wins or loses, I think populist campaigns like hers will become increasingly popular in poor parts of the US.
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Old 08-17-2020, 10:37 AM
 
Location: Charles Town, WV
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I’m just saddened because the urban/rural divide in Va to me seems relatively new.
This is pretty much where I'm at also. There is definitely a urban/rural divide that is occurring across the country, both at a state level and at a national level. That's the issue that I see going on within Virginia, where the populous area wants to push their solutions onto the rural areas. The exact same thing goes on across the country and it sows greater division vice driving unity.
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Old 08-17-2020, 12:35 PM
 
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This is pretty much where I'm at also. There is definitely a urban/rural divide that is occurring across the country, both at a state level and at a national level. That's the issue that I see going on within Virginia, where the populous area wants to push their solutions onto the rural areas. The exact same thing goes on across the country and it sows greater division vice driving unity.
To be fair, the reverse also happens when cities in suburban/rural majority states try to do something that state politicians from rural areas oppose.
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Old 08-17-2020, 05:12 PM
 
Location: Charles Town, WV
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To be fair, the reverse also happens when cities in suburban/rural majority states try to do something that state politicians from rural areas oppose.
Point taken. It does work in reverse.
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Old 08-18-2020, 10:34 AM
 
Location: Arlington, VA
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Point taken. It does work in reverse.
That was what I didn't quite so eloquently say. It works both ways.

I have to wonder though- with the growth going on in the Eastern Panhandle compared to relative stagnation / outright decline elsewhere, it would seem eventually the EP might become the largest population center of the state. Not right away of course but still, time will likely be your friend if current trends continue. I admit you all have it hard- you are closer to probably four or five other state capitals than Charleston. Being on the other side of the mountains and essentially an extension of DC/ Maryland/ Northern Virginia makes you even more different. Hopefully you'll at least get some additional representation following the 2020 census.
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Old 09-13-2020, 05:45 PM
 
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Whether Swearengin has a chance or not, I think we can all agree that she would be a better alternative to Capito, right? S . I think the biggest turn-off for her is not because she's a weak candidate or because her policy proposals are too insane, but because she has a D in front of her name, and most WVians see Democrats as anti-coal, "radical socialists", and coastal elitists out of touch with the working man. .
Uh....well obviously we don't 'all agree' that she is a better alternative or the threads point would be moot.

The majority of WV residents are still registered as Democrats so it's a bit silly to act like West Virginians hate Democrats.I'm nearly 60 and Capito is the only Republican senator elected in my lifetime.The current governor was elected as a Democrat,and then switched parties, and there have only been only two Republicans elected as governor in my lifetime.Up until six years ago the Democrats controlled both houses in the state legislature for I believe the entire history of the state.Obviously well over 100 years of Democrats running everything didn't usher in a 'utopian state' envied by the rest of the country.....not that Republican control has either,but thats another topic.

Capito will easily win.Really most of what Swearengin wants to do would only be addressed on a state level anyway so i'm not sure why she is running for senate instead of governor......a race she might have won.I'd even vote for her for governor......but i'd vote for anyone for governor over the complete idiot we have there now.
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