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Old 11-08-2009, 05:46 AM
Location: Jefferson County
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The new zoning ordinance which last year was passed by our county commission (Who, I used to think, were elected to represent the will of the people.) and was quickly put on hold due to a citizen petition to allow it to be placed for a vote before the residents, was soundly defeated!

Jefferson zoning ordinance defeated - journal-news.net | News, sports, jobs, community information for Martinsburg - The Journal

The final vote was 1953 for the new rules and 3249 against. Seems like a clear message from the citizens to their representatives, that Mountaineers prefer to stay free. But that apparently isn't grasped by some of the commissioners:

(from the journal article) "It's going to be messy. It's going to be more time-consuming. It just creates a lot of tedium for the staff," Jefferson County Commissioner Jim Surkamp said about the process that now lies ahead for the county. Surkamp noted that it's now back to the drawing board for the county's land-use regulations. The county's existing subdivision regulations, which were also approved in 2008, will also have to be retooled to mesh with the nontraditional zoning ordinance that now remains in place in the county, he said.

Maybe they could stay away from the 'drawing board' and revert to the old zoning map to save the tedium for the staff, or better yet throw it all out like nearly every other WV county and really save some time. Reasonable subdivision regulations are fine, but any form of zoning takes property value from some and gives it to others.

Anyhow, I'm thrilled that the citizens came out and voted for freedom.
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Old 11-08-2009, 06:58 AM
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Most "Land Use Policies and ideas come from the same old text books...
I have always said that the Zoning Dweebes and educated city managers? came from the same college.

Going back to the 'drawing board is the very best and most common sense answer..

Have town meetings and get the feel of those who live there...
when a new casino is coming to town, the casino people always fill the ranks with their shills to get the new Job Giver ($7.50/$8.50 per hour lol) anything they want...

It's time for the regular people, the people who pay for that extra police force and the other social costs that come with expansion to dictate how they want that expansion to be planned.

The politicos give a dog and pony show and feather their pockets with the cash when They plan the area, which is always in the best interests of the people (cronies)

Just advertise Town Meetings at the courthouse in room ??? after all, its your building.

Get a community leader everybody trusts to chair the event and write down the recommendations...the press and TV MIGHT be interested...invite them too..

In the old days, these groups were called Lynch Mobs...now-a-days that has changed to Activist Groups...they have a place in our time...
eventually, in the nest 2 years, those activist groups might need to carry a rope...
and our politicos will dictate that need...ha ha ha...
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Old 11-08-2009, 07:24 AM
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"Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men."
-- Acton (1834–1902).
Power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely
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Old 11-08-2009, 08:28 AM
Status: "Flush the turd on Nov 3rd" (set 7 days ago)
Location: Lost in Montana *recalculating*...
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I thought the county already had zoning in place? I know when we built our branch location in 2004 it was a PITA to get approvals. Took over a YEAR to get final stamp by the county, and that was an already APPROVED commercial pad in an already built out strip center.
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Old 11-08-2009, 09:51 AM
Location: Jefferson County
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It does. But the current system is no where near typical 'Euclidian' zoning; although as you said it makes the process of commercial approval a PITA, it mostly leaves small/home based business and personal usages out of the pervue of the zoning police.
State law only requires a citizen vote for zoning in a county with there is currently no zoning (Like the soundly defeated zoning ordinance in Berkeley County last year.) That is why Jefferson county was able to pass the new zoning rules without requiring to put it before the citizens. But thanks to our state representatives seeing the coming change pushed by a small percentage of radical residents and directing the commission to enact the new zoning, a state law was quickly passed which allowed for a petition and referendum if a substantial change to the rules was passed. The petition gained more than enough signatures (Another story in itself with an ongoing lawsuit to publicize the names.) to force a vote, with one of the first being Dale Manuel, the only commissioner who at that time seemed truly concerned about representing his constituents.
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