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Old 11-17-2009, 02:02 PM
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Published Aug 19, 1863. North Carolina trying to excercise her sovereign right to remove itself from the Confederacy of States.

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive...BE668388679FDE

You may have to open in .pdf, but it's an interesting read. A lot of people don't recall that 'states rights' were rebuffed by the Confederacy.
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Old 11-17-2009, 02:12 PM
 
Location: Everywhere and Nowhere
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Today's divides are not along state, or even regional lines. They are essentially along rural-urban lines. Every state has strong "blue" and "red" areas. Nothing would approach a Civil War, but I can see political divisions along the urban-rural line for some time to come. The urban entitlement mentality will not sustain itself in the long run, and when borderline independents vote blue, it certainly is not to bring about the kinds of crap we see going on today... there will almost certainly be a big backlash next year, but it will be at the ballot box. Also, I'd definitely put money on the chief executive being a one termer. This is not a Marxist nation.
I tend to agree on the blue/red state thing really being urban versus non-urban (I'd throw the exurbs into red with the rurals). However, religion does play into it somewhat. And then there's Orange County, CA - I can't explain that one.

If you haven't read it yet, I'd suggest picking up a copy of "The Great Sort" by Bill Bishop. He talks about the reasons why we're self-segragating into like-minded political communities.

I may not agree with your politics but I love a good argument. I think times are much more interesting now than in the bland 70's when you couldn't really tell the two parties from one another (according to Bishop because we were disillusioned by Watergate).

My problem is I can't find a party that reflects all my values - fiscal conservatism combined with social libertarianism. I think maybe Perot came closest.
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Old 11-17-2009, 02:18 PM
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My problem is I can't find a party that reflects all my values - fiscal conservatism combined with social libertarianism. I think maybe Perot came closest.
William F. Buckley. Fairly social libertarian but recognized needs for certain 'social requirements' like education- things like that.

Let's get some shovels, lol.
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Old 11-17-2009, 03:00 PM
 
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Published Aug 19, 1863. North Carolina trying to excercise her sovereign right to remove itself from the Confederacy of States.

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive...BE668388679FDE

You may have to open in .pdf, but it's an interesting read. A lot of people don't recall that 'states rights' were rebuffed by the Confederacy.
That's interesting, and I didn't know that. It is not surprising though. Support for the Confederacy was far from universal in any state. In Virginia, it was a bare majority. Even Robert E. Lee was very torn about the issue, finally deciding to throw in with his state.
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Old 11-17-2009, 09:01 PM
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It's been forgotten that the Confederation of States wanted, or had to, centralize power in order to fight against the very same thing they espoused fighting against. Their Constitution was similar, their imposed tariffs similar...

I guess the argument that some claim that the flag means 'states rights' vs. 'centralized authority' is sort of amusing when you view it from the historical perspective.

In other words- the more things change, the more they stay the same.
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Old 11-17-2009, 09:09 PM
 
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i fly mine too, and i am an african american with an emphasis on the American Part of which i am very proud! i am a southerner born and bred, but have lived in the north for a good many years in Pennsylvania, rhode island, and New York and i have seen it as much up there as i did growing up in SC, Florida, Texas or Mississippi.

if WV is a proud southern state, by golly it should fly the stars and bars loud and proud.
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Old 11-17-2009, 09:11 PM
 
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William F. Buckley. Fairly social libertarian but recognized needs for certain 'social requirements' like education- things like that.

Let's get some shovels, lol.
try the constitution party or states rights party
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Old 11-17-2009, 09:19 PM
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I vote for whomever is the best candidate. I'm now Independent.
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Old 11-18-2009, 08:50 AM
 
Location: Elkins, WV
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My problem is I can't find a party that reflects all my values - fiscal conservatism combined with social libertarianism. I think maybe Perot came closest.
I have the same problem... just on the opposite end of the spectrum. I feel like I don't have a party choice because the Democrats are becoming too moderate for my highly liberal preferences.
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Old 11-18-2009, 11:15 AM
 
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