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Old 11-18-2009, 01:15 PM
 
Location: Elkins, WV
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that is rather..... offensive??? and inappropriate I believe. I mean he is the president of our country, that deserves respect whether you like his policies or not.
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Old 11-18-2009, 01:54 PM
 
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that is rather..... offensive??? and inappropriate I believe. I mean he is the president of our country, that deserves respect whether you like his policies or not.
As a Libertarian Republican, I am going to give this president the same respect that the liberals gave President Bush. After all, it's only fair! We spent 8 years hearing how Bush was a fascist, Nazi, an imbecile, a warmonger, and a chimp, but we all of a sudden are expected to idolize and revere this guy? Why? Because he's a Democrat? I say, don't dish it out if you can't take it. How come it was the height of patriotism to dissent when Bush was President, yet now according to Pelosi, if you protest this president's policies, you are a right-wing terrorist/teabagger and unpatriotic? He does not respect the American people and their wishes, yet we're supposed to kiss his feet? I know I won't! And I don't mean this as an attack on you personally, I don't know your politics, it's just my observations on the issue.

Also, you have to earn respect, and this man has done NOTHING IMO to deserve respect. Bowing to Saudi kings, the American apology tour 2009, the destruction and socialist takeover of our auto industry, the forcing of health care on people who do not want it, etc., and of course, cap and trade which will DESTROY WV's coal industry. With a grandfather and two uncles who were miners, and a grandmother who gets the so-called "Cadillac health plan", that hits real close to home for me. Coal mining was my family's livelihood, and I have a furious hatred of anyone who wants to screw hard-working miners out of what they've earned, and take jobs from a state that doesn't have many to begin with. So no, Obama gets no respect from me as of yet.

As for the Confederate flag, I see it in the southern part of WV, where my family lives, but I've not seen it up in the northern part of the state. I think that's because the southern part of the state is very similar to VA, and is culturally identified with it. The north is more identified with Ohio and PA, so it's not all over the state, at least not that I've seen. Besides, I like the Confederate flag, my mom is in Daughters of the Confederacy and we have over 30 ancestors that fought for the South, so it's my heritage and I am proud of it. If it insults or offends people, that's their problem and they need a history lesson. Other races and ethnic groups can fly their flags and be proud of their heritage, so I'll be damned if I'm gonna let people tell me that I have to be ashamed of mine. Not gonna happen.
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Old 11-18-2009, 01:55 PM
 
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that is rather..... offensive??? and inappropriate I believe. I mean he is the president of our country, that deserves respect whether you like his policies or not.
Yep....reality is a biotch aint it?
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Old 11-18-2009, 01:55 PM
 
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I have the same problem... just on the opposite end of the spectrum. I feel like I don't have a party choice because the Democrats are becoming too moderate for my highly liberal preferences.
If you're socially liberal, and fiscally conservative- and I think you are, Libertarian is the party for you.
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Old 11-18-2009, 06:55 PM
 
Location: Elkins, WV
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If you're socially liberal, and fiscally conservative- and I think you are, Libertarian is the party for you.
I'm not so much fiscally conservative though, and I always perceived the Libertarians as socially more moderate. I'm obviously most passionate about social issues like gay marriage, gay rights, abortion rights, womens rights, minority rights than anything with fiscal policy. I'm supportive of universal health care and clean energy sources. However, I've always favored a pro business tax structure. I don't support giving money to every other nation in the world in order for them to function, we obviously have problems that we could be using that money to fix. I would just rather be spending the money domestically. I've had plenty of education and have completed research on foreign aid, which I think we should as humans care about others and provide some aid, but the amount we are spending is astronomical. When I was in Europe I was in a physical confrontation with this guy from Brazil. He kept making comments about how stupid Americans were, and I ignored him as long as possible but finally it came to blows. Before I leaped onto him I reminded him without America's financial support paying Brazil's bills their country wouldn't be able to function as it does.

I don't support idiotic wars that are enacted without any research or proper information. I don't support a double whammy of tax cuts for the richest Americans. That just spells fiscal trouble and ends up throwing our economic system out of whack. I believe a substantial amount of money should be switched from the defense budget and placed into the educational budget. Outdated schools, schools lacking technology, and least we forget the abysmal pay for teachers, the lowest paid professionals. I do support defense funding and protecting our nation and economy, but the same richest 10% of Americans that got the tax cuts also subsequently owned or own many of the defense contracting companies, so oddly enough exaggerating and inflating the military budget also pads their pockets with millions of dollars in govt. funds, in addition to the tax cuts. Yet I can't even get affordable health insurance??? One reason universal healthcare isn't widely popular among older adults is that many of them have healthcare coverage. Now many companies are finding ways out of offering coverage to their new employees, and now a number of the uninsured consists of younger Americans. My case happens to be that my dad's insurance kicked me off when I turned 22 regardless of the fact I was still in school. They continued to offer the insurance though at the low price of just $800 a month. I passed.

So yeah, I know lots of others my age that feel this same way. Maybe we'll create our own political party at some point in the future.....
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Old 11-18-2009, 07:10 PM
 
Location: Everywhere and Nowhere
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If you're socially liberal, and fiscally conservative- and I think you are, Libertarian is the party for you.
Unfortunately they never get elected. Also, many libertarians go a bit far. I believe government has a role (public schools, roads, air traffic control, health reform, anti-trust). I just want them out of our lives on stuff like gay marriage, abortion, free speech, and pot. I'd also like to see less spending on the military-industrial-security complex to reduce taxes.
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Old 11-18-2009, 07:12 PM
 
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that is rather..... offensive??? and inappropriate I believe. I mean he is the president of our country, that deserves respect whether you like his policies or not.
I like Obama and didn't think that was that bad. Seemed in good humor.
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Old 11-18-2009, 07:15 PM
 
Location: Elkins, WV
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As a Libertarian Republican, I am going to give this president the same respect that the liberals gave President Bush. After all, it's only fair! We spent 8 years hearing how Bush was a fascist, Nazi, an imbecile, a warmonger, and a chimp, but we all of a sudden are expected to idolize and revere this guy? Why? Because he's a Democrat? I say, don't dish it out if you can't take it. How come it was the height of patriotism to dissent when Bush was President, yet now according to Pelosi, if you protest this president's policies, you are a right-wing terrorist/teabagger and unpatriotic? He does not respect the American people and their wishes, yet we're supposed to kiss his feet? I know I won't! And I don't mean this as an attack on you personally, I don't know your politics, it's just my observations on the issue.

Also, you have to earn respect, and this man has done NOTHING IMO to deserve respect. Bowing to Saudi kings, the American apology tour 2009, the destruction and socialist takeover of our auto industry, the forcing of health care on people who do not want it, etc., and of course, cap and trade which will DESTROY WV's coal industry. With a grandfather and two uncles who were miners, and a grandmother who gets the so-called "Cadillac health plan", that hits real close to home for me. Coal mining was my family's livelihood, and I have a furious hatred of anyone who wants to screw hard-working miners out of what they've earned, and take jobs from a state that doesn't have many to begin with. So no, Obama gets no respect from me as of yet.

As for the Confederate flag, I see it in the southern part of WV, where my family lives, but I've not seen it up in the northern part of the state. I think that's because the southern part of the state is very similar to VA, and is culturally identified with it. The north is more identified with Ohio and PA, so it's not all over the state, at least not that I've seen. Besides, I like the Confederate flag, my mom is in Daughters of the Confederacy and we have over 30 ancestors that fought for the South, so it's my heritage and I am proud of it. If it insults or offends people, that's their problem and they need a history lesson. Other races and ethnic groups can fly their flags and be proud of their heritage, so I'll be damned if I'm gonna let people tell me that I have to be ashamed of mine. Not gonna happen.
Hmm, I don't think I need a history lesson. I'm actually currently teaching US history to Sophomores, and have taken over 30 post secondary courses in history, social studies and geography. I know my stuff, but thanks

In regards to not respecting the president of the United States of America.... My mom and the majority of her family are registered Democrats but have voted Republican for the last 20-30 years. They don't agree with Obama on A LOT, but you bet your @ss they were raised to respect the president of the United States, and that's how I've been raised. I hated George Bush as a president and don't believe I supported a single one of his measures, he will probably go down as the president with the lowest approval rating in modern history but I did respect him as the leader of our nation.

Coal isn't going anywhere, so don't get your panties in a twist. Diversification is needed however unless you want to live in a heavily polluted planet where everyone has asthma. Wind and solar power isn't evil and can easily compliment coal in powering America. I do NOT support strip mining in anyway though. It employs less people and destroys the environment compared to traditional underground coal mining. I will fight that tooth and nail.

I will point to one accomplishment Obama has made thus far. He has significantly improved our global standing and perception around the world. Anyone can act all bad@ss and say they don't care about what "those stupid liberals in Europe" or "insert derogatory statement about the Middle East here ____ " think about America or Americans. But those of you who think that way are showing your lack intelligence. To be successful networking and having some friends isn't a bad idea. America is superpower, we are not the rulers of the planet. There is a difference Think about that
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Old 11-19-2009, 01:16 AM
 
Location: Panama City FL
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GottaHerdOn-

I didn't mean that in any nasty, condescending way, so I apologize if it seemed nasty. I just worry about the direction this country is heading and sometimes I mouth off (or type off!) a bit without thinking.

I was also raised to respect the President, but it is hard for me to see how many seem to feel that they only need to respect the President if he is a Democrat that they voted for. I just hate the double standards and am frustrated by them. As for W., I think history will remember him more kindly as time goes on. That's just my opinion though, I guess we'll have to wait and see. I do prefer him to the current President though, even though I was not in agreement with most of his policies.

As for coal, I hope you're right...I really do. And no, I don't want to live on a heavily polluted planet and I do support alternative energy sources, I just do not support the government trying to force it on us through cap and trade and legislating what types of light bulbs, toilets (do NOT get me started on the 1.7 gallon "less water wasted" toilets...UGH!), or washing machines we can buy, or banning TV's that supposedly use "too much electricity" like they are doing in CA. Let the free market decide. If we demand cleaner energy, the technology will be developed faster and cheaper than if big government interferes. I also do not support strip mining, I think it's horrid and we can find a better way.

I do not think that Obama has raised our status in the world one bit. I think we have to be feared to some extent to be respected, and Obama just comes across as weak and overly apologetic. I don't think we should act like we rule the planet, but I DO think we should get some respect. We have allies but for some reason we don't cultivate new allies like we should. For example, Honduras. We could be handling that situation differently, we could have acknowledged their right to depose the socialist Zelaya who was violating their Constitution, but instead we decided to DEMAND that he be reinstated as President when we had no business trying to tell them how to run their affairs. Trying to impose our wishes on other sovereign countries is what made us so hated in the first place, yet here we are, doing it again! As for Europe, they are just resentful of the US....have been since WWII and we need to take that resentment into account when weighing their opinions of us. I do realize it is a fine line, but...it's a fine line. Bush was too harsh, and Obama is too weak. We need to find a middle ground, but maybe that's easier said than done.

Oh, and if enough people start voting Libertarian, we CAN make a change. I agree with most of your views, believe it or not. I don't support universal health care though, even though I myself am uninsured, because now is not the time to be adding to the deficit. I do support a type of reform, but it should not be rushed or forced on people who don't want it by legislators who don't even know what is in the bill that they are trying to shove through. And I don't believe in giving certain genders/races preferential treatment under the guise of "rights", because all it does is divide people even further. I support equal rights for everyone, and believe that everyone needs to be treated the same, regardless of race, sexual orientation, gender, etc., but I don't think the way we are going about it is the right way. From what I see, all we're doing with all these race/gender/etc. targeted "rights" is creating an "all animals are equal, but some are more equal than others" mindset, which is not what America is about. I don't know though....it's hard to say, and I don't know all the facts on every issue....

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Old 11-19-2009, 04:43 AM
 
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If anything the Blacks should be flying the confederate flag and salute it every time they walk by. If Lincoln had his way the Blacks would have been deported back to Africa and nobody wants to move there especially the Blacks.
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