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Old 01-29-2010, 09:23 AM
 
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Beyond all the noise and attack mode insults the fact remains that America has not solved it's own problems to successfully deal with it's poor population. Inviting hoards of poor will not solve poverty but exacerbate it because we have ineffective policies prior to their arrival. It doesn't matter what their nation of origin, creed, gender or whatever subset characterization you use.

The unemployment rate alone is pure logic countermanding passionate stances of zenophobes or misguided social liberal tactics of charity. These populations would be better served investing in the structures that enable an economy in their home town. Things like laws establishing property rights are the thing that prevent them from meaningful participation in global economy. Shuffling American wealth to embrace new welfare clients is destructive to America and to it's citizens as a whole. Playing cards-- ageism, racism, howmanyotherisms... your card game isn't a game moderates are willing to listen to anymore.
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Old 01-29-2010, 12:59 PM
 
Location: Troy Hill, The Pitt
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Beyond all the noise and attack mode insults the fact remains that America has not solved it's own problems to successfully deal with it's poor population. Inviting hoards of poor will not solve poverty but exacerbate it because we have ineffective policies prior to their arrival. It doesn't matter what their nation of origin, creed, gender or whatever subset characterization you use.

The unemployment rate alone is pure logic countermanding passionate stances of zenophobes or misguided social liberal tactics of charity. These populations would be better served investing in the structures that enable an economy in their home town. Things like laws establishing property rights are the thing that prevent them from meaningful participation in global economy. Shuffling American wealth to embrace new welfare clients is destructive to America and to it's citizens as a whole. Playing cards-- ageism, racism, howmanyotherisms... your card game isn't a game moderates are willing to listen to anymore.
You are anything but a moderate, and many of the comment on here are subtly racist, isolationist, or simply very ignorant of reality.

I'm not advocating welfare or charity, but to give these peoples the opportunity to better themselves at no one's expense. If the roles were reversed we would make the same decision to emigrate to another country, the law be damned. To act as if you wouldn't exhibits a certain naivete of the human condition. You were born into a privileged standing compared to the majority of the globe, and are incapable of understanding the hardship they face. No one is asking you to give anything up, but to let go of the fear of the unknown or foreign that fuels your ignorance.
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Old 01-29-2010, 01:25 PM
 
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What makes the oak tree strong is the wind of adversity...so it is with man...

When we choose to put limitations on people we denigrate them with our own selfish prejudice...

The ultimate insult to people in general has been the liberalization of this and other great countries.

I am so surprised that France is calling for a rebirth of capitalism after all these years in socialisms squalor.
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Old 01-29-2010, 03:48 PM
 
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DK I'm thinking there is a happy medium that present civilization has yet to achieve. I don't pretend to know exactly where it is, but I believe the more we examine cause/effect and understand where things go horribly wrong for human beings is the day we'll be able to respectfully help people. We aren't there yet. Neither is France.

They're tearing down cabrini greens in chicago. A new experiment of mixed income housing units is thought to be the cure, and it's apparently some kind of condo deal so people have a vested interest in defending their claim. I hope they never forget the common lesson every oppressed person in recorded history has had to learn. Therein lies the key. We don't have to work harder, just smarter. If you don't take care of the problem inside, nothing outside will ever be right.

As for the whipper snapper; Something of a law of nature in the nasty arts of manipulation... the trouble with firing a gun at anyone is that it immediately gives your position away. The irksome consequence of tactics and arguments used announce loudly who and what I should vote against. I'm grateful you've informed us who you are and what your agenda is about. It might have escaped someones attention that you were here to sell something. Miraculously I remain unscathed despite the attempts at character assassination.
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Old 01-29-2010, 06:59 PM
 
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If you could rid the human specie of emnity, there might be grounds for the great communism.

And laziness is the second rule...I remember that story about the worker ant and the welfare grasshopper...
I suppose its Verboten in the school cirriculum now-a-days...too politically incorrect.

Anybody seen Al Gore?
Snow coming to the Carolinas....ha ha ha...and we fall for these moneyed PR schemes...one after another...

Did anybody mention that education is the route to wealth and success....No...I mean education...not the propaganda we are feeding our children...education.
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Old 01-29-2010, 07:10 PM
 
Location: Puerto Penasco, Mexico
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You are anything but a moderate, and many of the comment on here are subtly racist, isolationist, or simply very ignorant of reality.
ROFL!!! Harborlady not moderate!!?? Ignorant??!! Your spelling and grammar are pretty good for fool, Q-tip.
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Old 01-29-2010, 07:21 PM
 
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You are anything but a moderate, and many of the comment on here are subtly racist, isolationist, or simply very ignorant of reality.

I'm not advocating welfare or charity, but to give these peoples the opportunity to better themselves at no one's expense. If the roles were reversed we would make the same decision to emigrate to another country, the law be damned. To act as if you wouldn't exhibits a certain naivete of the human condition. You were born into a privileged standing compared to the majority of the globe, and are incapable of understanding the hardship they face. No one is asking you to give anything up, but to let go of the fear of the unknown or foreign that fuels your ignorance.
There is no possible way to give them opportunities when our own people are struggling to find them. I'm a Catholic, and I appreciate compassion, but our first duty is to our own people. You are off base with your analysis. What you are doing is failing to understand the hardships faced by our own people that are, at least in part, a result of the presence of the illicit aliens.
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Old 01-29-2010, 09:48 PM
 
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I am reminded of the time that I shared an opinion about illegal immigration with a hispanic newspaper from Atlanta, and I was then inundated with propaganda of a similar academic tone, cliches and platitudes without substance, pointing out that I am an ignorant racist.
I find it interesting that no one talks about the plight of those who seek to cross mexico's southern border in search of better opportunity. In fact, there are people all over the world wanting a chance at a better life, but are unfairly deprived, by illegal aliens who jump ahead of them.
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Old 01-29-2010, 10:20 PM
 
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ROFL!!! Harborlady not moderate!!?? Ignorant??!! Your spelling and grammar are pretty good for fool, Q-tip.
HAHAHA well hinton, to be fair to the lad, I must admit I am a bit of an isolationist. I think I share that trait with many WV'ns who prefer to be left the heck alone. Isn't that in our state charter or is it an unwritten rule?
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Old 01-30-2010, 01:03 AM
 
Location: Charleston, West Virginia USA
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. . information he compiled from Federal Bureau of Investigation and Department of Homeland Security reports:
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/12850

95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens.
83% of warrants for murder in Phoenix are for illegal aliens.
86% of warrants for murder in Albuquerque are for illegal aliens.
75% of those on the most wanted list in Los Angeles, Phoenix and Albuquerque are illegal aliens.
24.9% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally
40.1% of all inmates in Arizona detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally
48.2% of all inmates in New Mexico detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally
29% (630,000) convicted illegal alien felons fill our state and federal prisons at a cost of $1.6 billion annually
53% plus of all investigated burglaries reported in California, New Mexico, Nevada, Arizona and Texas are perpetrated by illegal aliens.
50% plus of all gang members in Los Angeles are illegal aliens from south of the border.
71% plus of all apprehended cars stolen in 2005 in Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, Nevada and California were stolen by Illegal aliens or “transport coyotes”.
47% of cited/stopped drivers in California have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that 47%, 92% are illegal aliens.
63% of cited/stopped drivers in Arizona have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that 63%, 97% are illegal aliens
66% of cited/stopped drivers in New Mexico have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that 66% 98% are illegal aliens.
380,000 plus “anchor babies” were born in the US to illegal alien parents in just one year, making 380,000 babies automatically US citizens.
97.2% of all costs incurred from those births were paid by the American taxpayers.
66% plus of all births in California are to illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal whose births were paid for by taxpayers
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