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Old 12-04-2009, 06:22 AM
 
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Really? Are you sure that's not just a cover story for cruising construction sites?

Also, all I can say for people whose competition for jobs is from undocumented workers is: poor career choice, plain and simple.
"poor career choice"? Really? Those jobs belong to Americans, not illegals who aren't supposed to be here, who pay little to no taxes, and who send funds out of our country during a time when there is nearly 10% unemployment. If you like the illicits so much, why don't you go to their country and help them build it into a desirable place to live and work. It is not our fault they come from crapholes, and that fact does not somehow entitle them to what we have here.
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Old 12-04-2009, 06:27 AM
 
Location: Macao
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I'm 100% with you. I've seen them ruin entire towns in the Northeast. The biggest problems start when the females come and start having kids... the "anchor babies" that because of our stupid immigration laws automatically are citizens regardless of the status of the parents and are thus entitled to benefits on the backs of our already stressed taxpayers.
'anchor bodies' was made illegal years ago due to public outcry. Doesn't exist anymore, and hasn't for a long time.
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Old 12-04-2009, 10:37 AM
 
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'anchor bodies' was made illegal years ago due to public outcry. Doesn't exist anymore, and hasn't for a long time.
Unfortunately you are incorrect. We have a "birthright citizenship" law on the books that allows for automatic citizenship for the offspring of anyone who can sneak across our borders and have a child. That child is then eligible for all sorts of freebies on the backs of our already overburdened taxpayers. It logically should be changed to provide that at least one of the parents must be a citizen.
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Old 12-04-2009, 10:50 AM
 
Location: Puerto Penasco, Mexico
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Grrrrr! Tried to rep you CT, but I gotta spread it around. Thanks for setting Tiger straight.
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Old 12-04-2009, 11:31 AM
 
Location: In the woods
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Which further validates my point: why would someone from a developed, industrialized nation decide to go immigrate (legally or not) to West Virginia? As for those from developing nations, please see my original point about the relative standard of living not being much above the place that they left (or maybe worse, depending on how you look at it), which, I think, would be discouraging and maybe solve your hypothetical issue (I think that, factually, and compared to the rest of the country, you might want to ask yourself why WV has been "spared" this influx even during better economic times).
You assume that all individuals from developing nations are impoverished, poor and unskilled. And thus would be unwelcome in WV. Your viewpoint of a "relative standard of living" again sounds cliche, thinking that the entire state is in such a decrepit condition that it is similar to the worst conditions of third world regions. There are however, people from developing nations who work, for example, as research scientists, in technology fields, etc. Whether they are welcome or not because of their race/ethnicity is one thing; whether they are welcome or not because of their illegal status is something different (a definite NO as you can see).

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Regarding welfare, I can see the point that West Virginians would be very protective of what they consider their own entitlements.
And why shouldn't they? They (WVers) are the ones putting into the system and if needed, should be the ones who can pull from it. Someone who doesn't contribute shouldn't get a dime.
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Old 12-04-2009, 11:54 AM
 
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Unfortunately you are incorrect. We have a "birthright citizenship" law on the books that allows for automatic citizenship for the offspring of anyone who can sneak across our borders and have a child. That child is then eligible for all sorts of freebies on the backs of our already overburdened taxpayers. It logically should be changed to provide that at least one of the parents must be a citizen.

No, what happens is:

Woman in the country who is not here legally has a child.
Child is U.S. citizen
If said woman is deported, and cannot leave the child in the care of someone in the United States, she takes said child back with her to her home country.

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(Deportation of foreign born parents of U.S. citizens): http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/14/us/14immig.html

So, your whole premise that "anchor babies' allow unauthorized immigrants to stay in the United States is false.

This is not arguing that U.S. citizen children of deported immigrants are not using public services, simply agreeing with "Tiger Beer's" observation that the "anchor baby" premise is out-dated or false.
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Old 12-04-2009, 12:23 PM
 
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You assume that all individuals from developing nations are impoverished, poor and unskilled. And thus would be unwelcome in WV. Your viewpoint of a "relative standard of living" again sounds cliche, thinking that the entire state is in such a decrepit condition that it is similar to the worst conditions of third world regions. There are however, people from developing nations who work, for example, as research scientists, in technology fields, etc. Whether they are welcome or not because of their race/ethnicity is one thing; whether they are welcome or not because of their illegal status is something different (a definite NO as you can see).
This is easy enough: most people in skilled labor professions (or who are wealthy in their country) can get visas and are here legally. Hiring standards for those professions, unlike unskilled labor which can be paid more easily "under the table" in cash or migrant farm work, are much higher. I seriously doubt there are many "illegal" scientists, tech specialists, doctors, etc, in this country.

WV is, relatively, one of the poorest states in the U.S. (ranked 49th for median income, and worst overall for "quality of live/living standards"). Your outcry about "all these illegals that we don't want overrunning the state' is like a very unattractive girl saying she hopes a bunch of guys don't start hitting on her at the bar.

http://www.wvpubcast.org/newsarticle.aspx?id=12171
http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/ranks/rank33.html (broken link)



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And why shouldn't they? They (WVers) are the ones putting into the system and if needed, should be the ones who can pull from it. Someone who doesn't contribute shouldn't get a dime.
You may be surprised to find that I don't disagree with you there. However, the assumption is that "illegal immigrants" take up all of the welfare benefits. The fact is that they are not even eligible for welfare, food stamps, social security benefits, medicaid, etc.

Immigration FAQs

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Old 12-04-2009, 12:57 PM
 
Location: Elkins, WV
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I didn't read this thread... maybe I've been too busy or just didn't care. But either way I think its a hilarious notion of there being concern for illegals in the mountain state.

1. LOOK AROUND!!! How many people of Hispanic decent do you see? A couple if ANY! In Elkins there are a few doctors and the owners of the Mexican restaurants. Occasionally there will be a few construction workers for the lumber companies and or ski resorts. Pretty much is true for the rest of WV. Otherwise there aren't any here. Generally they flock to areas with thriving economies where they can get work. In WV we can even employ our young native WVians.

2. Guaranteed its the "holler people" who are addicted to meth, pills, and whatever else that are taking advantage of the system. Getting welfare checks, food stamps, medical cards, etc. (Keep in mind I support these programs fully, just not people abusing them) At least these "illegals" are coming here and working their @ss' off to make a living and try to make a better life for themselves. Compare that to these things bar hoping from pharmacy to pharmacy looking for pills and a cheap high on the tax payers dollar.

I say lets switch! Lets send the trash to Mexico and we take their hard working "illegals"
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Old 12-04-2009, 02:12 PM
 
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"poor career choice"? Really?
Are you actually trying to say that, objectively, out of all of the jobs out there, an adult in the United States is making a "good career choice" if their job title is "unskilled laborer" or "manual fruit harvester"?

I'm not talking about electricians, plumbers, licensed professionals, but unskilled and semi-skilled labor.
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Old 12-04-2009, 02:18 PM
 
Location: Everywhere and Nowhere
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Ravenswood is overflowing with "migrant" farm workers who no longer migrate with the seasonal crops. They all work across the river in Ohio during the growing and harvest seasons but live and remain in Ravenswood year round. When they break the law and are arrested they are "cut loose" because they can't make bail and deportation is too expensive. Most of the money they make from farm labor in Ohio and Pot sales in West Virginia goes straight back to Mexico. This is not just a local problem.....it's nationwide, and coupled with the benefits previously ascribed in this thread it's sucking our economy dry!!!
Yeah, just like those d***** Eyetalians 100 years ago.
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