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Old 01-06-2010, 06:36 AM
 
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Gasoline has begun the upward spiral.

More refineries will be shut down as demand slacks to keep the price up above $3.00 per gallon. The devaluation of the dollar will do its part to keep this comodity in the 'expensive bracket for american consumers.

It's time for West Virginia to get into the fuel manufacturing and supply business.
We are seeing our big businesses doing this on the national scene...lets do in on the state scene.

Our legislature only needs to classify West Virginia coal as a bio-fuel and many of our college professors can do that with data that is available.

(an exercise in the definition of what 'is is)

Set up coal to fuel refineries at our border gate-ways and fill up the thousands of diesel rigs with fuel..200 gallon per truck.

It's feasable, an incredible tax revenue and eliminates the middle man.

The future will demand new ideas for taxation. It must be taken off the backs of the individuals to an extent...

The Native Americans make billions from their casinos, renting tribal lands and oil, coal and gas energy harvesting.

As a bio-fuel, West Virginia coal would stand in line for a few federal billions in stimulus loans to get things underway..

At one time the state was in the liquor business...it's time to get into the gasoline and diesel fuel business...

Any positive thoughts ???
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Old 01-06-2010, 06:51 AM
 
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...and when are kicking off your campaign for Office, David?!

Only part I'd take exception with is the billions in Federal loans. Anytime the Feds are involved, they're going to ensure they get to pull the decision making strings. I say WV can do it internally. Hire WVians to build/run/maintain it, and keep state level control of the operation.
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Old 01-06-2010, 07:49 AM
 
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Just harvest the algae blooms resulting from the mine discharges like at Dunkard creek. No need to convert coal to fuel when the by-product will suffice.

Too bad Harrison County doesn't have a bio-fuel station like in Berkeley County. I believe Cam Tabb supplied most of the fuel over there. Used to get it at the Inwood Farmers market. It's good for my Cummins, I can attest to that.

Edit- Here's a list by state of bio availability. WV has one- the one I cited above.
http://www.altfuelprices.com/stations/BD/
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Old 01-06-2010, 08:15 AM
 
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Everything you needed to know about energy production/estimated price (incl Henry Hub spots) can be found here (including refinery capacity and outages) Market Assessment of Refinery Outages Planned for October 2009 through January 2010

That is if you trust the source, lol..
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Old 01-06-2010, 03:31 PM
 
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The filing period ends soon...been thinking about it but hate the abuse..

With these coal gasification generators...on the same campus...We could have garbage digesters to produce methane...mixing that of course to make LPG...EP is so very right for this type of project and distribution...as is Huntington, Bluefield, Wheeling, Charleston and Morgantown (who's coal-to-fuel generator is ready to operate now)

And you are so right about the jobs aspects of this enterprise and the funding...keep it in state and no strings are attached..

Where is T.Boone Pickens on this one? ha ha (tilting at windmills?)

Lot of common sense on this thread so far...
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Old 01-08-2010, 08:51 AM
 
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I think T. Boone has gone off the deep end. Your idea
is a good one, Kennedy, but funding in West Virginia
would be hard to secure because the politicos are more
interested in pork barrel business as usual than in
anything sensible. You wouldn't want to mess up your
road to nowhere for some money making project now,
would you?
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Old 01-08-2010, 12:32 PM
 
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That's the unfortunate truth.
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Old 01-08-2010, 05:52 PM
 
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Eventually some small amount of common sense needs to come forth.

and 3-run?

I thought that algae bloom in Dunkard was from those new gas wells being drilled...if it came from Consol I hope the government makes them restore the entire stream...that was some great fishing, even had muskie in it...
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Old 01-09-2010, 06:41 AM
 
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Golden algae to blame for Dunkard Creek fish kill

Take your pick, lol.

Quote:
Mr. Huffman said the dissolved solid and chloride levels were high because of discharges from a mine treatment facility at Consol Energy's Blacksville No. 2 deep mine and a second treatment facility at Consol's Loveridge deep mine near the West Virginia town of St. Leo.

Another contributing cause, Mr. Huffman said, could be what he described as a discharge from a new borehole into which an unspecified company is injecting drilling wastewater into a mine void.

But the only deep injection wastewater well in the area permitted by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency is the Morris Run injection well operated by CNX Gas Co. LLP, a subsidiary of Consol Energy, at Consol's closed Blacksville No. 1 mine in Greene County since 2005. Consol uses the well to dispose of wastewater from its methane well drilling operations.
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Old 01-09-2010, 06:57 AM
 
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This is crazy...everybody has known for ages that you cannot pump waste products into abandon coal mines..(salt mines, potash and trona mines are another matter because of the non-caving rock strata).
eventually it will come out somewhere.

Shows the lack of intelligence and mining expertise in this generation of coal mine managers(?)

Sounds like consol was making some money from the drilling companies by handling their waste products.

water injection, btw is used to push the methane out of the coal bed prior to mining...I wonder what new hazard this will pose to the miners as they work through the injected part of the seam.

Their job risk is horrendous now because of the synthetic lubricants that they are exposed too..a cancer rate so high that it's not even talked about. If you work on or near a longwall machine, you are going to get cancer...period.

Maybe the Obamunists are right in closing down coal after all...none of it is worth the price of a mans life..
Why should they work 30/40 years to never retire and then face an early death from exposures of breathing conditions and topical poisions?
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