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I voted for her. You missed her in the purp walk?
CONGRESS WENT TO DENMARK-YOU GOT THE BILL--ARTICLE BY CBS - Patriotic Resistance (http://www.resistnet.com/group/watchdogforcapandtradebill/forum/topics/congress-went-to-denmarkyou - broken link)
This labeling system is dysfunctional. Whatever D's or R's are doesn't translate out to be anything different once DC system gets hold of them. I think even Byrd would have to admit the rules he has to play by need revision.
That's a good point. Power corrupts. Absolute power
creates the kinds of messes we see forming in Washington
and Charleston. It really has nothing to do with party
affiliation because they all play to special interests. The
citizen is a secondary consideration... remotely secondary.
We got the first populist on board in Massachusetts ( I know,
he has a party moniker but I believe that is just for convenience).
We need to get a whole bunch of them on board in November.
We have to get some people in there who are willing to listen
to the people instead of following the money.
At Washington-Jefferson College in Washington, PA there is a Northern Appalachian studies program devoted to the study of the Pennsylvania/Northern West Virginia/Eastern Ohio region. Since most attention is given to the southern portions, there was a need for the northern region to be studied.
Also PA residents who moved from the Appalachian counties were classifired as "Appalachian" migrants when they moved to the industrial cities in northern Ohio and other midwestern locations in the 1940's-1960's, along with their counterparts from WV, KY, and TN.
As a southwest PA resident now, I do see some Midwestern quailites, but it does not "scream" midwestern. Even watching the local news, I hear more (northern) Appalachian accents than midwestern.
I agree with what you're saying about southwest PA, but if you're talking about Pittsburgh or the culture to the north and east of it, it isn't Appalachian by a long shot. Look up Tiger_Beer's thread on the Pittsburgh board posing this very same question. Not only are they in disagreement of being considered a part of "Appalachian culture", some of them are outright offended by the notion of it.
I agree with what you're saying about southwest PA, but if you're talking about Pittsburgh or the culture to the north and east of it, it isn't Appalachian by a long shot. Look up Tiger_Beer's thread on the Pittsburgh board posing this very same question. Not only are they in disagreement of being considered a part of "Appalachian culture", some of them are outright offended by the notion of it.
I disagree. Yinzers are very much Appalachian, whether they like it or not. It's a bit different than mountain culture (the accordion replaces the banjo), and ethnic neighborhoods are more common (Polish Hill, Bloomfield, Sq. Hill), but then it's difficult to have ethnic enclaves in a small town, like most of WV is.
But like WV, WPa has the blue-collar work ethic, family and religion are important, traditions are important. The Steelers have the same kind of nationwide following that the Mountaineers do. The Christmas cookies don't come from some fancy bakery, they're baked in grandma's kitchen. Pierogis on Christmas eve, pork and cabbage on New Year's Day.
I agree with what you're saying about southwest PA, but if you're talking about Pittsburgh or the culture to the north and east of it, it isn't Appalachian by a long shot. Look up Tiger_Beer's thread on the Pittsburgh board posing this very same question. Not only are they in disagreement of being considered a part of "Appalachian culture", some of them are outright offended by the notion of it.
They are "offended" by it because of the influence of relatively small
elements within the area (largely localized in the Squirrel Hill district)
who in fact do have little to do with Appalachian roots, and who have a disproportionate amount of influence in the community. But, I worked in the
"Burgh for years. Believe me, it is Appalachian at the core. The ordinary folks are Appalachian. The elitists and their cohorts are not. There is also some midwestern and northeastern influence in the mix.
I agree with what you're saying about southwest PA, but if you're talking about Pittsburgh or the culture to the north and east of it, it isn't Appalachian by a long shot. Look up Tiger_Beer's thread on the Pittsburgh board posing this very same question. Not only are they in disagreement of being considered a part of "Appalachian culture", some of them are outright offended by the notion of it.
If someone looks for that thread...its title is...
'The Paris of Appalachia'
I'm not actually the originator of that thread though, just a very active participant
That's a good point. Power corrupts. Absolute power
creates the kinds of messes we see forming in Washington
and Charleston. It really has nothing to do with party
affiliation because they all play to special interests. The
citizen is a secondary consideration... remotely secondary.
We got the first populist on board in Massachusetts ( I know,
he has a party moniker but I believe that is just for convenience).
We need to get a whole bunch of them on board in November.
We have to get some people in there who are willing to listen
to the people instead of following the money.
Credit where it's due... throwing money bombs feeds the process of corruption that got us here long ago, so be prepared to take responsibility for that too. Scott Brown is paid for through and through, and will march in with his ideals and be ground up like sausage by the system because no one is facing the system itself. Tea Party Herds the Angry, Lands in Hot Water: Margaret Carlson - BusinessWeek
Cautionary tale: Being disgruntled does not a solution make. You could wait years to see the big picture you're in now, or you can believe me when I tell you you're engaged in therapy for a long standing identity crisis within the GOP. Forget the distraction of liberal bashing, it's denial. GOP is empty handed & bereft so they bash. Therapy is what it amounted to in Ross Perot work when Bucchanan came in to muscle his perceived flock back, and that's you're doing now. That's what it amounts to when former R's go libertarian.
Change up the players infinitely, until the rules of the game change, no matter the team or the players it's an exercise in disillusionment. If you manage to rid the R's of toxic neocon ideology, YAY! The 12th amendment blocks 3rd parties from having a chair of their own, FOX is steering Tea since inception, they've already got a long track record of making chumps out of Americans. They might as well be selling abercrombie T-shirts mocking WV'ns TO WV'ns, they're laughing all the way to the bank.
You may have the best of intentions but your efforts are vulnerable to abuse and you need to be aware of the scope of treachery happening over your heads. I sincerely wish good luck. I hope good things come of your work but I cannot endorse what you've thrown in with. The day Murdoch and Bush are given the entire bar tab for Iraq is the day I might think of forgiving. I'd say Pelosi already answered the question of institutionalized injustice for everyone.
That's the thread about Pittsburghers debating if Pittsburgh is Appalachian or not. Would be great to have some WV post on it for some added perspective and dialog.
That's the thread about Pittsburghers debating if Pittsburgh is Appalachian or not. Would be great to have some WV post on it for some added perspective and dialog.
Sorry I can't add to your thread more significantly, I've much to learn myself as new resident. BUT... I get the feeling that the moment industrialized systems step in, Appalachian culture seems to recede into the hills in similar response that native americans abhor fences. Amish made a clear stand of where civilization can check itself at the door, but the rest of Appalachian culture tends to wander off unannounced, settling in pockets and hollers scattered around, living out their sensibilities in unwritten traditions. They can't explain what they do, they simply DO what they do.
My appalachian grandmother couldn't teach me to cook because I needed words to learn, and so limited a time to spend with her, she could only show me how tight a grip on flour was in her hand as measurement. The act of explaining seemed to embarrass her, as if confrontational. There were unspoken prayers in every meal she made, and there are no words to describe. The english language fails to capture the true essence of Appalachia.
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