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Old 03-31-2011, 04:20 PM
 
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I was impressed that Gov. Cuomo got his budget passed, on time even, with no new taxes or borrowing. But the devil is in the details, and the public schools, which just can't seem to do with less like the rest of us have to, are warning of tax hikes.

From the WSJ - Public schools, which have spent almost all their federal stimulus dollars, will receive 6% less funding next school year. School districts have warned that the cuts could force them to raise property taxes, which are already among the highest in the nation.

State Budget Passes New York State Legislature - WSJ.com

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Old 03-31-2011, 04:27 PM
 
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Have you been sitting in on the Board of Education meetings in your district for the current budget year? All residents in their respective school districts can/should educate themselves on what the budget entails, and voice any concerns on a local basis.


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I was impressed that Gov. Cuomo got his budget passed, on time even, with no new taxes of borrowing. But the devil is in the details, and the public schools, which just can't seem to do with less like the rest of us have to, are warning of tax hikes.

From the WSJ - Public schools, which have spent almost all their federal stimulus dollars, will receive 6% less funding next school year. School districts have warned that the cuts could force them to raise property taxes, which are already among the highest in the nation.

State Budget Passes New York State Legislature - WSJ.com
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Old 03-31-2011, 05:28 PM
 
Location: Bellevue, WA
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Cuomo should not have passed that before enacting the tax cap. Some districts here are spending in excess of $28K per kid - it's truly absurd.
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Old 03-31-2011, 06:37 PM
 
Location: Yorktown Heights NY
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Cuomo should not have passed that before enacting the tax cap. Some districts here are spending in excess of $28K per kid - it's truly absurd.
No, Cuomo should not have passed the education cuts before he got rid of state and federal unfunded mandates, as he had promised to. Its the unfunded mandates and the cost of pensions etc. that cause "absurd" spending. If schools have to eliminate 6% of spending without relief from mandates they'll be forced to cut the only things they have control over--teachers, classes, sports, and programs.

As for tax caps, it is one of the dumbest ideas politicians have ever come up with. When your school budget comes up for a vote you get to decide whether you want to vote for it (and the associated tax increase) or against it. That's called democracy. Enforcing tax caps is simply taking power away from the tax payers.
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Old 03-31-2011, 06:38 PM
 
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Tax cap would not help at all. Look what happened in California.
The only way out is to find ways to introduce competition and improve
efficiency. Public school is a very bad idea by itself.

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Cuomo should not have passed that before enacting the tax cap. Some districts here are spending in excess of $28K per kid - it's truly absurd.
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Old 04-01-2011, 05:17 AM
 
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Tax cap would not help at all. Look what happened in California.
The only way out is to find ways to introduce competition and improve
efficiency. Public school is a very bad idea by itself.
Yes, we were so much better in feudal times, when you were free to send young children to work in the fields.

If you don't like public schools, then send your kid to Hackley. Or you can move to someplace like Ghana or Mexico.

But yes, just like you were compelled to pay for 1/2 $ billion worth of cruise missiles fired at Libya, you are compelled to pay for education.
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Old 04-01-2011, 07:40 AM
 
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I totally agree with you dma. Its the unfunded mandates that keep driving the cost increases every year and until something is done about them the problem will not go away. Many schools did a lot of cutting already and cannot afford to keep decreasing the program costs by the cost increase of pensions and benefits annually. Also the state aid will continue to decrease because the state has these rising costs too. We are in trouble. I cannot understand why politicians won't address this.
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Old 04-01-2011, 08:46 AM
 
Location: Bellevue, WA
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I can absolutely understand why politicians won't address it....unions. Look at what is happening in Ohio and Wisconsin. It's only a matter of time until all states win back their power from the unions. Until that happens, taxes will continue to rise exponentially.

I don't disagree at all that the problem is unfunded mandates. What I do disagree about is that until you cut off their pursestrings, nobody gets mad enough to actually do anything about it. School taxes rise 5% a year? "Oh well, it's still cheaper than private school in the city," many argue. Increase Johnny's class by 10% or cut his art program, and all hell breaks loose.

The trend everywhere is smaller government. People have had it. This county needs to learn to live within it's means just as the state does. Don't fool yourselves into thinking that we couldn't combine some school districts or lay off several administrators to save that 6%. Teachers and programs should be the last thing to be cut.
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Old 04-01-2011, 05:40 PM
 
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Well, if you like so much about collectivism, you should move to NK for
that matter.
Yes, we all have to pay for education, but we ought to do it like geting other goods and services: from the market place.

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Yes, we were so much better in feudal times, when you were free to send young children to work in the fields.

If you don't like public schools, then send your kid to Hackley. Or you can move to someplace like Ghana or Mexico.

But yes, just like you were compelled to pay for 1/2 $ billion worth of cruise missiles fired at Libya, you are compelled to pay for education.
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Old 04-01-2011, 06:58 PM
 
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Well, if you like so much about collectivism, you should move to NK for
that matter.
Yes, we all have to pay for education, but we ought to do it like geting other goods and services: from the market place.
Read Adam Smith. Certain things are too important and not profitable enough to leave to the marketplace. Schools, libraries, police forces are some examples.

You support collectivism for missiles in Libya and roads in Iraq but not schools or roads in America?
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