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Old 06-29-2015, 08:07 AM
 
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Why force this?
Beause we have something called federal anti-discrimination laws. The feds wouldn't be forcing anything if jurisdictions hadn't engaged in previous patterns of housing discrimination.

Westchester forced this. They compelled the feds to act.
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Old 06-29-2015, 08:20 AM
 
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Beause we have something called federal anti-discrimination laws. The feds wouldn't be forcing anything if jurisdictions hadn't engaged in previous patterns of housing discrimination.

Westchester forced this. They compelled the feds to act.
Are you stating that if someone has the desire to buy or rent in one of these municipalities that they are prevented from doing so as a result of their race, gender, or religion, etc? I find that hard to believe.

What is the discrimination apart from not having the money to buy or rent in one of these places?
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Old 06-29-2015, 08:31 AM
 
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Are you stating that if someone has the desire to buy or rent in one of these municipalities that they are prevented from doing so as a result of their race, gender, or religion, etc? I find that hard to believe.
These communities don't have broad housing typologies. When you restrict housing, you're restricting people from moving in. If the feds investigate and find the zoning code prevents newcomers from moving in, you could be in for federal intervention.
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What is the discrimination apart from not having the money to buy or rent in one of these places?
The communities don't allow housing outside of single family homes with multiacre minimums. Given that 95% of households are looking for something else, generally speaking, that's illegal zoning/housing practice.
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Old 06-29-2015, 09:03 AM
 
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These communities don't have broad housing typologies. When you restrict housing, you're restricting people from moving in. If the feds investigate and find the zoning code prevents newcomers from moving in, you could be in for federal intervention.

The communities don't allow housing outside of single family homes with multiacre minimums. Given that 95% of households are looking for something else, generally speaking, that's illegal zoning/housing practice.
Whether or not it's against federal statutes, I find this ridiculous.

I moved to NY from out-of-state, and my family and I ended up living where we could find a place that suits our needs and our budget. Why should I rely on the government to make some other town affordable for me?

People can simply move someplace else; there are plenty of affordable, decent areas of the NYC metro area.

It is one thing if someone has the money, and they are prevented from moving to an expensive place due to race, creed, etc. But that doesn't seem to be what is being discussed here. It reads to me that people who don't have enough money want to live in a place where people have a lot of money, and they're using the government to force the issue.

I find this whole idea absurd.
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Old 06-29-2015, 10:14 AM
 
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These communities don't have broad housing typologies. When you restrict housing, you're restricting people from moving in. If the feds investigate and find the zoning code prevents newcomers from moving in, you could be in for federal intervention.

The communities don't allow housing outside of single family homes with multiacre minimums. Given that 95% of households are looking for something else, generally speaking, that's illegal zoning/housing practice.
Is Ferrari engaging in unfair car selling tactics bc they are pricing 99% of the public out of access to their vehicles? Your posts get more and more ludicrous as the thread goes on and your showing your true colors. It is now obvious that social engineering is your ultimate goal.
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Old 06-29-2015, 10:31 AM
 
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You can write all the nonsense you want; the fact is that 1. Septic tanks have nothing to do with 2 acre minimums (if that were the case than half of Long Island would have to be vacated), 2. Septic tanks do not give a jurisdiction license to engage in discriminatory zoning (if septics meant that only single family homes could be built, then obviously the jurisdiction would have to replace the septics with a water system) and 3. The feds have already ruled that Westchester has discriminatory zoning, so you are flat out of excuses (in other words, nothing you write has any relevance unless it deals with actually fixing the discrimination).

Pound Ridge either needs to provide affordable housing, or it will be put out of business. Simple as that. The community has been found to be engaging in racial and economic discrimination, and is mandated to resolve the situation. Excuses about "why" this can't be done are waaaaay past mattering.
Apparently you're unaware that LI is basically a giant sand bar, whereas N Westchester is an ancient, worn down mountain range with very thin soil covering bedrock. Your assertions become more and more preposterous with every post. As it happens, I'm pretty far left on the political spectrum. You, however, are apparently a full-on communist. No sense in trying to continue with anything resembling informed dialog, just a waste of time. I'm done.
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Old 07-04-2015, 05:41 AM
 
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What is the distinction between "projects" and "affordable housing"?
Are what were built in Yonkers considered "projects" or "affordable housing"?
These are genuine questions.
I believe "projects" have a much lower "lower limit" for income. Affordable housing is for people making between 50-60% of the Westchester median income (so, around $52K - $63K). As opposed to "projects", where the median income is usually around $20K - $30K.

For what it's worth, I would generally support this type of affordable housing, as long as it's in a walkable area along a transit line. For the most part, this is true, but there's a couple of areas where it's not (North Salem in particular, which has no transit service at all, but also Crompound & Baldwin Place, which have very limited bus service). I think this type of development should be kept to areas along the Metro-North lines (e.g. Chappaqua, Katonah, etc)
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Old 07-04-2015, 11:26 AM
 
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It is one thing if someone has the money, and they are prevented from moving to an expensive place due to race, creed, etc. But that doesn't seem to be what is being discussed here. It reads to me that people who don't have enough money want to live in a place where people have a lot of money, and they're using the government to force the issue.

I find this whole idea absurd.
You've hit the nail right on the head! Unfortunately many native New Yorkers do not think that way. That's why New York has the type of government and leaders that they have. Social engineering and political correctness are rampant in New York State along with widespread political corruption. Both parties are guilty.

I'm just glad I got the hell out of New York. After spending most of my life there I've come to realize that the State of New York is in a hopeless situation. It has changed dramatically during the time I've lived there. I don't think that they will be building affordable housing in Andy Spano's backyard anytime soon. Spano was a major advocate for these policies. While county executive, good old compassionate Andy saw to it that the county buy up property surrounding his in Yorktown Heights. What's good enough for the goose, in this case is not good enough for the gander.

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Westchester County Executive Andy Spano on Wednesday called it the "right decision" to agree to build $50 million of affordable housing for minority-group members over the next seven years in overwhelmingly white, well-to-do areas.--http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/bronx/50m-affordable-housing-set-rise-westchester-minority-group-members-settlement-article
If people regardless of race, color, creed or gender wish to live in nicer communities let them go out and bust their ass and earn it. Why should those who have achieved some modicum of success have to have their standard of living lowered to accommodate those who couldn't be bothered? Those of whom earn their living at the expense of everyone else.

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"But it is also true that a man may live and satisfy his wants by seizing and consuming the products of the labor of others. This process is the origin of plunder." --- The Law by Frederic Bastiat (1801-1850) French economist, statesman, and author.
I sure hope that someday you'll reconsider whether it was a wise decision to move there in the first place. Hopefully you'll be able to do as we did and get the hell out.

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Old 07-05-2015, 12:45 PM
 
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jeffpv:

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I'm just glad I got the hell out of New York.
Where did you end up relocating to?
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Old 07-05-2015, 04:01 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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I'm proud to say I now live in Arizona, and couldn't be any happier. Getting out of New York/Northeast was the best thing we ever did. We're living in a much nicer home, in a much nicer neighborhood, better weather and amongst the most spectacular scenery on the face of the earth. In addition we have all of the amenities and public services that New Yorkers love to brag about. All this and our cost of living is $18,000 a year less than what it was in New York. Kind of makes you wonder whose side Progressives/Liberals/Socialists are really on? It sure as hell ain't the middle class of which we are one of. Their answer to everything is always their insatiable demands for more money. So they can enslave even more people. Dependency on government never lifts anyone out of poverty it condemns them to a life of it. It only enriches the lives of their government overlords. Jesus Christ, when will these people ever wake up? They are nothing more than a means to an end.

I used to live in Peekskill, I've witnessed first hand what affordable housing has done to that city. Peekskill became Westchester's dumping ground. My former neighbor was born and raised there and would often reminisce of how beautiful Peekskill once was with it's Victorian houses overlooking the Hudson River. It has now become a decrepit dump of deteriorating homes that has become overrun by illegal invaders. Our old neighborhood was at one time considered one of the better ones. But over I'd say the last 15 years it too has started to become a victim of urban decay. People started moving out and the illegal invaders started moving in, turning single family homes into illegal apartments. Calls to code enforcement were an exercise in futility. All this to live in an 1100 sq. ft. house with an $11,000 a year property tax bill. No thank you! We have had enough. You know something? It will never change.

If you haven't already, you should come on out sometime, you'll be among like thinking individuals. Hopefully you'll decide to stay.

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