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Old 02-07-2018, 06:13 AM
 
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Thanks!

I saw those antique cars driving around Croton, maybe it was you!

Since we lost our GOP County Executive, the new Democratic Executive George Latimer has banned gun shows at the County Center in White Plains, don't know about gun range in Blue Mountain.

Never actually went into Croton Gorge Park, but drove by. I've been to Croton Point Park, I read that Bill Clinton goes there, they live in Chappaqua now.

Earthquake at West Point this morning, shocks felt in Cortland Manor, Carmel, Yorktown, etc.

Afraid to put Trump signs out since the progressives labeled him a racist, very few campaign signs for either candidate were around Westchester pre-election day in 2016.
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Old 02-07-2018, 08:01 AM
 
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Thanks!

I saw those antique cars driving around Croton, maybe it was you!

Since we lost our GOP County Executive, the new Democratic Executive George Latimer has banned gun shows at the County Center in White Plains, don't know about gun range in Blue Mountain.

Never actually went into Croton Gorge Park, but drove by. I've been to Croton Point Park, I read that Bill Clinton goes there, they live in Chappaqua now.

Earthquake at West Point this morning, shocks felt in Cortland Manor, Carmel, Yorktown, etc.

Afraid to put Trump signs out since the progressives labeled him a racist, very few campaign signs for either candidate were around Westchester pre-election day in 2016.
It just might have been! We have friends in Croton and used to go there a lot. They've got old cars too. We've had them since the mid 70's and still do. We're still in contact with them even though we're 2474 miles away.

Rob Astorino was county executive when we moved. Before that it was Andy Spano, we called him "Swine-O" because he was a swine. "Swine-O" too had shut down the gun shows, Astorino I believe allowed them. It figures that Latimer shut them down. Latimer also raised the county property taxes as soon as he took office. As if the combined property taxes aren't high enough there already? Oh well, so much for Democrats being the party of the middle class.

My wife and I met George Pataki on many occasions while he was Mayor of Peekskill and knew his parents. We used to go to their vegetable stand on Frost Lane off the Bear Mountain Parkway. We thought he was great then, he had a good line of BS and we believed he was the real deal. He went on to become a state senator stabbing Mary Goodhue in the back. She only wanted one more term, but good Ole' George couldn't wait. As governor he was just another phony "RINO" from New York. What a disappointment he turned out to be. Just the sight of him and sound of his voice makes me sick.

There were no shortage of Trump signs here in Arizona that's for sure. Just about everyone in our neighborhood had one and everywhere else for that matter. There's nothing like living in a "RED" state. Especially Arizona.

It's not unusual to have earthquakes/tremors in that area because it lies on the Ramapo fault. I'm surprised that they built a nuclear power plant so close to it? However the plants do need a body of water nearby in order to cool the reactors and power the steam turbines. But still, to put it in a densely populated area and near a geological fault? But what do I know? I'm not a geologist.

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Despite the rarity of strong East Coast earthquakes in the United States, they do sometimes occur. Furthermore, when these rare eastern U.S. events do occur, the areas affected by them are on average ten times as large as western ones for events of the same magnitude.[12] Thus, earthquakes represent at least a moderate hazard to East Coast cities.

Earthquakes in the greater New York City area affect most of New Jersey, the most densely populated state in the United States, as well as New York City. It is difficult to discern the extent to which the Ramapo fault itself (or any other specific mapped fault in the area) might be any more of a source of future earthquakes than any other parts of the region. A 2008 study argued that a magnitude 6 or 7 earthquake was destined to originate from the Ramapo fault zone, which would almost definitely spawn hundreds or even thousands of fatalities and billions of dollars in damage.[24] Studying around 400 earthquakes over the past 300 years, the study also argued that there was an additional fault zone extending from the Ramapo Fault Zone into southwestern Connecticut.[24] On the other hand, other seismologists have argued that neither the Ramapo Fault, nor any hypothesized fault zone extending into southwestern Connecticut, has been demonstrated to be any more active than any other parts of the greater New York City area.[6]

Just off the northern terminus of the Ramapo fault is the Indian Point Nuclear Power Plant. Built between 1956 and 1960 by Consolidated Edison Company, the plant began operating in 1963, but concerns have been raised that an earthquake from the Ramapo Fault will affect the plant.[19] Whether or not the Ramapo fault actually does pose a threat to this nuclear power plant remains an open question.[6] In Pennsylvania, the fault descends to an area approximately to the west of Pottstown, near the Limerick Nuclear Power Plant, before making its transverse turn west to its southern terminus near Schaefferstown.--wikiepedia

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Old 02-07-2018, 08:32 PM
 
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What happened to the OP re the impact of tax changes on regular middle class people with million dollar + mortgages on big homes..um, uh - upper-middle class folks might be more accurate - that pay upwards of $35k in RE taxes on simple dwellings who have HH incomes over a couple hundred thousand and will see some of their RE and SALT deduction reduced .... that...can barely fund lease payments on their three cars .....??????

WAIT A MINUTE.

Only 50% of taxpayers pay federal income taxes, right?
And about 30% of those itemize deductions, according to the IRS, yeah?
And the standard deduction is DOUBLING for everyone, right?

So now, whereas one in six returns used to itemize, that will certainly go down, and probably a lot, right?

So I think taxes are going up for the few, the proud, the upper class and above!

I bet the Democrats wrote this law!
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Old 02-08-2018, 12:07 PM
 
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What happened to the OP re the impact of tax changes on regular middle class people with million dollar + mortgages on big homes..um, uh - upper-middle class folks might be more accurate - that pay upwards of $35k in RE taxes on simple dwellings who have HH incomes over a couple hundred thousand and will see some of their RE and SALT deduction reduced .... that...can barely fund lease payments on their three cars .....??????

WAIT A MINUTE.

Only 50% of taxpayers pay federal income taxes, right?
And about 30% of those itemize deductions, according to the IRS, yeah?
And the standard deduction is DOUBLING for everyone, right?

So now, whereas one in six returns used to itemize, that will certainly go down, and probably a lot, right?

So I think taxes are going up for the few, the proud, the upper class and above!

I bet the Democrats wrote this law!
I'm going to guess you've never lived in Westchester or New York. A $750k-$1M house with $25k-$30k in property taxes in many of the towns in Westchester is an 1,800-2,000 square foot, 3 bed/2 bath house. These are not multi-millionaires in 8,000 sq. ft. mansions, those are pretty standard sized homes for young families. They just happen to have absurdly high prices in this part of the country.
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Old 02-08-2018, 01:10 PM
 
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I'm going to guess you've never l most of thier peers moving to Hewlettived in Westchester or New York. A $750k-$1M house with $25k-$30k in property taxes in many of the towns in Westchester is an 1,800-2,000 square foot, 3 bed/2 bath house. These are not multi-millionaires in 8,000 sq. ft. mansions, those are pretty standard sized homes for young families. They just happen to have absurdly high prices in this part of the country.
And you would guess... WRONG.

Born and bred in NYC, educated, lived, and worked on LI for my entire working life, lived in Queens until buying a place in Hewlett, selling after 25 years to retire in Fl.

My niece now lives in a $1.5+ MM 5000 sq ft home in Westchester.
Her and husband work in Manhattan.
Like most of their peers, they HAVE it, and they SHOW it.

I had many good friends and coworkers in NY thru the years.
Compared to most everyplace else, labeling such folks, 'average middle class' makes me almost wet my pants.

I know firsthand as I was one of them.
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Old 02-08-2018, 04:08 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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I'm going to guess you've never lived in Westchester or New York. A $750k-$1M house with $25k-$30k in property taxes in many of the towns in Westchester is an 1,800-2,000 square foot, 3 bed/2 bath house. These are not multi-millionaires in 8,000 sq. ft. mansions, those are pretty standard sized homes for young families. They just happen to have absurdly high prices in this part of the country.
Indeed they are!

When we moved 8 years ago we paid almost $12,000 a year in property taxes on our 1,100 sq. ft. 3 bedroom 1 bath home in Peekskill. We had a 3 car garage and it was on a half acre. We sold the home for $285,000. So your 25k-30k can't be too far off.

My sister pays about $27,000 in property taxes for her home in Dobbs Ferry, it's a 4 bedroom 2 1/2 bath on about a quarter acre. I'm guessing that it's about 2,500 sq. ft. She's also close to a major road and the traffic noise that goes with it.

Our home in Arizona is a 3 bedroom 2 bath plus a family room that used to be an attached garage. It's about 2,000 sq. ft. almost twice the size of our old home back east. We also have a detached over sized 3 car garage. All on 4 tenths of an acre. Our property taxes are around $1,800 a year and they've only gone up about $100 during the 8 years we've lived here. Some years they've actually gone down by that amount. We live in a quiet tranquil neighborhood outside of city limits similar to Briarcliff Manor in Westchester County. The population density is about 1000 people per square mile whereas Peekskill is over 5000 people per square mile.

Trump's tax proposals only gave us about $64 a month which is really insignificant. However the doubling of the standard deduction may give us more when we file our taxes next year? Obviously we can no longer deduct the $12,000 in property taxes we paid in New York. But when all is said and done we still have around $18,000 more in our annual disposable income since moving out here. That is indeed significant.

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Old 02-08-2018, 06:30 PM
 
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It just might have been! We have friends in Croton and used to go there a lot. They've got old cars too. We've had them since the mid 70's and still do. We're still in contact with them even though we're 2474 miles away.

Rob Astorino was county executive when we moved. Before that it was Andy Spano, we called him "Swine-O" because he was a swine. "Swine-O" too had shut down the gun shows, Astorino I believe allowed them. It figures that Latimer shut them down. Latimer also raised the county property taxes as soon as he took office. As if the combined property taxes aren't high enough there already? Oh well, so much for Democrats being the party of the middle class.

My wife and I met George Pataki on many occasions while he was Mayor of Peekskill and knew his parents. We used to go to their vegetable stand on Frost Lane off the Bear Mountain Parkway. We thought he was great then, he had a good line of BS and we believed he was the real deal. He went on to become a state senator stabbing Mary Goodhue in the back. She only wanted one more term, but good Ole' George couldn't wait. As governor he was just another phony "RINO" from New York. What a disappointment he turned out to be. Just the sight of him and sound of his voice makes me sick.

There were no shortage of Trump signs here in Arizona that's for sure. Just about everyone in our neighborhood had one and everywhere else for that matter. There's nothing like living in a "RED" state. Especially Arizona.

It's not unusual to have earthquakes/tremors in that area because it lies on the Ramapo fault. I'm surprised that they built a nuclear power plant so close to it? However the plants do need a body of water nearby in order to cool the reactors and power the steam turbines. But still, to put it in a densely populated area and near a geological fault? But what do I know? I'm not a geologist.
Now you depressed me! I didn't realize our property taxes went up 2% under Latimer. My best friend got a rare life threatening illness in October. 2017, so I was preoccupied with visiting her in a NYC hospital and with the holidays, so the tax hike slipped by me. I was so upset when Astorino lost, I met him a few times and he responded to my e-mails a few times about county stuff. Some voters were on tv saying they voted against Astorino because he didn't want to make Westchester a sanctuary county! It's always going to be the have-nots against the haves until the haves don't have it any longer. One good thing is my property taxes aren't over 10 grand, so I will be able to deduct all of it, so I won't have to run back to FL like some people are planning to do since they can't deduct all of their property taxes (over ten grand is non-deductible under the Trump tax plan).
I lived in Croton from the late 70's until I moved to Florida in 1989, so it's possible I saw you driving around in one of your fancy cars! The last car show I went to a few years ago was at Empire City, Yonkers Racetrack, it was fun, the cars were parked on the horse racing field at the track. A new casino opened today called Resort World at the old Concord hotel in Monticello/Catskills. They expect to steal players away from Mohegan Sun and Foxwoods in CT. Fat chance! I won't play any video lottery terminal machines and most knowledgeable players won't touch them, so today when I found out they put those in Resort World, I cancelled my plans to take a drive up there to see it. Bad mistake for NY to go with those machines. The random number generator slots are better for the player, which are found in a real casino!
Are there casinos in Arizona or do you have to drive to Vegas? Are there good hospitals around you (that's the number one reason I would hesitate to move out of NY)? Do you see snakes, scorpions, spiders, etc (another reason to stay in NY, lol)?
Anyway thanks for the earthquake info, hopefully I won't have to worry too much about a quake in southern Westchester, I only felt one tremor years ago in Westchester, and one in San Diego that occurred in the Pacific, it was scary!

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Old 02-08-2018, 11:47 PM
 
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I moved 3 years ago. I love it here.

I hate taxes but our income allows us to pay for them. but even though we make more money that we've ever made, our lifestyle is squarely middle class. I don't have a lot of wiggle room to absorb two things:

- eliminating the deductibility of property taxes. I pay $35k per year in property taxes and it kills me.

- eliminating the deductibility of state income taxes. I pay also a very significant amount in state income taxes.

I estimate my tax bill would go up by $28k alone with Trumps plan. This will make Westchester unaffordable to me. Or I could "afford it" but eliminate saving for retirement.

How about others? Do you think this would force tax reform in Westchester? I've always thought our taxes are outrageous and we - collectively we in Westchester - rationalize the high taxes by thinking of good schools and services/amenities, but yikes!


If you are paying $35,000 in property taxes annually, don't sit here and preach that you are middle class. No reason why the rest of the country has to subsidize your SALT deductions. I lived in the Hudson valley myself, and when the taxes got to high, guess what,,,,, I moved out of NY. There will never be tax reform in Westchester, these politicians need your money for their little,projects, and with Latimer in office now you might as well start looking for a new place to live, because you're taxes will go up with or without this new tax bill
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Old 02-08-2018, 11:51 PM
 
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So you're the arbiter of who can say what and where? You don't like what you read, so you accuse others of trolling, right? Typical of a Democrat, find any way to silence those whose opinions they don't like.



You moved from NY to a state that wants to run the Trump-pardoned Sheriff Joe Arpaio for US Senate and think NY is a 'god-awful state'?

Dude you have Cuomo, Gillibrand, Lyin' Cryin' Schumer, DeBlasio, the entire NYC council, Hakeem Jeffries, etc.

I'd take Sheriff Joe Arpaio any day over any of these clowns.
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Old 02-09-2018, 04:50 AM
 
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If you are paying $35,000 in property taxes annually, don't sit here and preach that you are middle class. No reason why the rest of the country has to subsidize your SALT deductions. I lived in the Hudson valley myself, and when the taxes got to high, guess what,,,,, I moved out of NY. There will never be tax reform in Westchester, these politicians need your money for their little,projects, and with Latimer in office now you might as well start looking for a new place to live, because you're taxes will go up with or without this new tax bill
To be fair, some middle class residents have homes which originally cost $33,000 or so in the fifties, and some bought homes when the real estate market crashed (in the 80's?). My friend bought a two bedroom co-op in White Plains for $22,000 during the crash! Now they are stuck still working in NY or retired with big tax bills, and can't or don't want to move for various reasons. My retired neighbor rents one floor to make ends meet, he would like to move out of NY, but he has a part-time job in Westchester, his wife has Alzheimer's, his daughter has a life threatening illness and needs to be near a NYC hospital, the only place that can treat her illness (except for a Houston, Texas hospital). I know this is an extreme example, but many are forced to stay due to circumstances beyond their control, and many just like the conveniences here and are willing to struggle to make ends meet.
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