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I have seen quite a few. I am not saying kill them all. Post was started as tree huggers are going to see DNR killing wolves and will try to sue the state. Yes wolves actually help keep deer herds healthy just as hunters do, by keeping numbers down and disease out. I would love to see a population big enough that we could get a once in lifetime permit to hunt them, but doubt will happen in my lifetime.
Farmers losing cattle may not seem like a big loss but if a good milker and such farmer will get mad.
Some of these that lose dogs are getting paid higher than the actual worth of the dog, but in eyes of the owner they worth so much more.
I can live with wolves in area as long as I still get me some wild game. Wish they take out some of the mange carrying coyotes when they out there also as those are getting plentiful.
I never seen a wolf until the 90's and have seen in total only 12. I am still waiting on seeing a cougar. These are actually getting me more excited as not planted but moving into original areas.
I would though if out doing a SAR exercise or a real search and seen wolf nearby, and felt myself, my dog or my SAR members were in danger better believe I would take it out.
If they get to used to humans and no natural predators and population continues to rise DNR will have to terminate more of them as people even though wolves are not into killing people the fear will be there and people will be calling and saying one was stalking them or such.
I have seen quite a few. I am not saying kill them all. Post was started as tree huggers are going to see DNR killing wolves and will try to sue the state. Yes wolves actually help keep deer herds healthy just as hunters do, by keeping numbers down and disease out. I would love to see a population big enough that we could get a once in lifetime permit to hunt them, but doubt will happen in my lifetime.
Farmers losing cattle may not seem like a big loss but if a good milker and such farmer will get mad.
Some of these that lose dogs are getting paid higher than the actual worth of the dog, but in eyes of the owner they worth so much more.
I can live with wolves in area as long as I still get me some wild game. Wish they take out some of the mange carrying coyotes when they out there also as those are getting plentiful.
I never seen a wolf until the 90's and have seen in total only 12. I am still waiting on seeing a cougar. These are actually getting me more excited as not planted but moving into original areas.
I would though if out doing a SAR exercise or a real search and seen wolf nearby, and felt myself, my dog or my SAR members were in danger better believe I would take it out.
If they get to used to humans and no natural predators and population continues to rise DNR will have to terminate more of them as people even though wolves are not into killing people the fear will be there and people will be calling and saying one was stalking them or such.
That's called 'irrational fear', and is not the wolf's problem, but the human's.
We have something in common, and something not in common:
I too have been on SAR Ops.
But if you use one as a pretense for wolf hunting, I sure hope they fine the hell out of you.
If a farmer has a loss of livestock, the state will compensate him/her.
If a farmer lets his cows overnight in pasture or roam the woods in an area claimed by a pack, then that farmer is dumb.
If you want an efficient coyote-management program, that is called a 'Wolf-Pack'.
Reason why coyotes moved their traditional range East was due to the elimination of the wolf from the eco-system.
Wolf-dog hybrids are very unpredictable, more commonly encountered (people keep 'em as pets- at least until they rip someone's buttock off) than the mostly nocturnal, reclusive wolf.
That's probably danger #1.
Danger #2 is probably the urban coyote, which has lost its fear of humans.
So...hunters' dogs used to kill bear are being killed by wolves, seems to have some amount of ironic justice there. Maybe the hunters should run out into the woods and tree the bears themselves if they are that concerned about their dogs.
[quote=Geechie North;16090601]That's called 'irrational fear', and is not the wolf's problem, but the human's.
We have something in common, and something not in common:
I too have been on SAR Ops.
But if you use one as a pretense for wolf hunting, I sure hope they fine the hell out of you.
It was the DNR that wanted to kill them if moved into our search area.
The irrational fear is what will get TV cameras going as make news in which will make DNR look bad for killing them.
notmuch69..... Wolves are highly unlikely to attack a human if food around unless totally sick and malnourished (most likely a loner then also)I do not see them attacking. You do hear stories of people being chased and some bit but not killed.
Wolf hybrids kept as pets would be most dangerous as yes always going to have the wild instinct and if feels threatened will attack. I would be more afraid of them than a wild wolf also. Wolf in wild may look at us and say meal or not? If make noise and not move like game ( I know us hunters try to stay quiet while stalking game) they will keep away.
That's called 'irrational fear', and is not the wolf's problem, but the human's.
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Originally Posted by Geechie North
We have something in common, and something not in common:
I too have been on SAR Ops.
But if you use one as a pretense for wolf hunting, I sure hope they fine the hell out of you.
It was the DNR that wanted to kill them if moved into our search area.
The irrational fear is what will get TV cameras going as make news in which will make DNR look bad for killing them.
I'm sorry, I just do not believe you, based upon personal experience.
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