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Old 06-06-2012, 11:06 AM
 
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20 yrs in Florida might qualify me for some experience in a right to work state.
Basically you go to work every day hoping you still have a job at the end of the day as you can be terminated and given no reason why,
You will be working for as little as the boss can get away with and you better say how high on the way up if the boss asks you to jump.
No healthcare, and no pensions and if you took too many days off for health reasons you are basically let go.
Maybe a right to work state works for some,it never worked for me.
What you're talking about is the same here in NC as well, that's why I hate the south!
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Old 06-06-2012, 11:08 AM
 
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Well... this bothers me.

So is that how it works? Sounds like a lovely blueprint. If someone does something you don't agree with, you create a huge firestorm and get everyone riled up. Then, at the end, you can say, "well, he may have won, but look at how divided everyone is! We are worse off!"

How are we supposed to deal with serious issues going forward? Just avoid anything controversial because it might "divide" people? And just let the ship sink?
Problem isn't it? When you win the way Scott Walker won, when you run on "divide and conquer" where husbands are literally trying to run over wives with their car so they can't vote, it creates a whole new level of ugly. And now, Scott Walker has the ugly. Read the stories. People are really hating each other in Wisconsin and the most educated are looking at moving away for better opportunities and happier environments. Walker said the jobs would come roaring back after the election. We'll see if that happens now. We'll see if one half of the state can work with the other now.
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Old 06-06-2012, 11:10 AM
 
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What Michigan said above bothers those of us who live here too. I was very surprised there were no riots around the capitol last night, I certainly expected it after what happened last February. I will be equally surprised if this state settles down and gets to work on its problems. Remember we had legislators leaving the state last time some work needed to be done. And now that the Democrats have apparently gained a seat in the house, there will be nothing but across the aisle fighting going on I'm afraid. While I was happy Walker got re-elected, I'm not confident there will be any bi-partisanship going on here. The Democrats/Unions have been too nasty in the past. I doubt they can change their stripes. or their orange shirts as it were.
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Old 06-06-2012, 11:19 AM
 
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I doubt they can change their stripes. or their orange shirts as it were.
See? You just did it again. You won and you still don't stop. Walker spent 8 to 1 and you won. Yet you call them "orange shirts" and ponder whether they will be able to "work together"? What you really mean is, "Will they do everything we tell them to. Will 47% of the state now bow down to the 53% and smile and say thank you while we punch them in the face?" Your very response does not bode well for Wisconsin. Sounds like the next two years will not be good for the state at all.
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Old 06-06-2012, 11:29 AM
 
Location: Mokena, Illinois
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20 yrs in Florida might qualify me for some experience in a right to work state.
Basically you go to work every day hoping you still have a job at the end of the day as you can be terminated and given no reason why,
You will be working for as little as the boss can get away with and you better say how high on the way up if the boss asks you to jump.
No healthcare, and no pensions and if you took too many days off for health reasons you are basically let go.
Maybe a right to work state works for some,it never worked for me.
THANK YOU FOR THIS POST
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Old 06-06-2012, 11:37 AM
 
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Wisconsin is still in 60ties but soon will be in 50ties...
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Old 06-06-2012, 12:05 PM
 
Location: Area 51.5
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I would like to congratulate the people of Wisconsin on saying no to collectivism and unionism, and saying yes to freedom, Capitalism, individualism, and liberty. You have done the country a huge philosophical favor and now we need to expand your attitude to the rest of the nation. Collectivism and unionism have destroyed our economy and our nation, but with more citizens waking up as you have, the tide can be turned, and we can restore America to its pre-socialistic potential glory. An enthusiastic thank you from New Jersey! Whoever said change begins only in California and New York is wrong. In this case, let the change that has started in Middle America wash over the left coasts - both of them!
Yep.

This post should be stickied.
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Old 06-06-2012, 12:12 PM
 
Location: Area 51.5
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20 yrs in Florida might qualify me for some experience in a right to work state.
Basically you go to work every day hoping you still have a job at the end of the day as you can be terminated and given no reason why,
You will be working for as little as the boss can get away with and you better say how high on the way up if the boss asks you to jump.
No healthcare, and no pensions and if you took too many days off for health reasons you are basically let go.
Maybe a right to work state works for some,it never worked for me.
I worked in a right to work state my entire life.

1. I never worried about job loss because I made sure I was VERY good at what I did.

2. I made an excellent salary. All my bosses were reasonable, some more than others, and not a single one ever asked me to perform tasks outside my job description. I don't recall any of them asking me to jump, lol.

3. I had healthcare insurance for a very small payroll deduction. Not enough taken out to notice. I got paid vacation and paid sick leave. I am currently retired and living on social security AND my 100% company paid for retirement plan. I don't recall anyone getting fired for excessive sick time, but I suppose it did happen if someone was obviously gaming the system and it could be proved. Competent, reliable employees don't do that, so I never worried about it.

Your post is an EPIC FAIL.
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Old 06-06-2012, 12:25 PM
 
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I am currently retired and living on social security AND my 100% company paid for retirement plan.
Of course you're living on Social Security. And company retirement plans went the way of the dinosaur. They only existed when unions were strong so you benefited by being of a much older generation. Your life would be very different if you were younger now. But enjoy those retirement benefits while you shout down those that are working in a much different environment today.

Time will tell if Wisconsin will do better after this vote. They may not. If the state shifts to the extreme right like Walker wants, they will likely try to go after minimum wage and privatizing public services next. Service fees for the 911 while firefighters compete for $7.00 an hour wages anyone? Good luck Wisconsin.
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Old 06-06-2012, 12:41 PM
 
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With the election over I will make sure to visit your lovely state except for Milwaukee and Madison.
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