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Old 06-06-2012, 12:56 PM
 
Location: New England
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Less than 13% of workers in WI are union...and a large percentage that are, are public sector with obscene benefits, pay and pension.

The sky is not falling and you'll not end up with $7.00 per hour firefighters. Stop the sensationalism.

What MAY end are $100,000 per year Lieutenants working 35 hours per week with medical benefits and pensions for life after 20 years service. I can't see that being a problem.

http://www.bls.gov/ro5/unionwi.pdf
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Old 06-06-2012, 12:57 PM
 
Location: Brawndo-Thirst-Mutilator-Nation
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Political Parties is what is destroying this country, the divide is so strong, nothing will ever get accomplished, this is a great quote from George Washington as to why he was opposed to political parties.
"It serves to distract the Public Councils, and enfeeble the Public Administration....agitates the Community with ill-founded jealousies and false alarms; kindles the animosity of one....against another....it opens the door to foreign influence and corruption...thus the policy and the will of one country are subjected to the policy and will of another."

Politics in general seem more entertainment these days. If one side is on the GOP it's like they are rooting or cheering for the Cubs and if the other side is on the Democrats its like they are cheering for the Brewers.

This above post about sums it up. Country has jumped the shark. Two sides that are bitterly opposed to the other.....will never work together. All downhill from here.
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Old 06-06-2012, 12:59 PM
 
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I do not understand, why people are so sure about educated residents leaving the state now?
Most positions that require education are not union positions. People expect to get paid on those position on the base of their own achievements. They are motivated to keep up with market requirements and are vital part of our progress. The more educated and motivated people we have here, the better our country is.
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Old 06-06-2012, 01:13 PM
 
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The more educated and motivated people we have here, the better our country is.
The more educated states are always the best states because they attract the best employers. Nevada's solution to budgets was to cut back education and no company wants to go there. If the result in Wisconsin is an overall lowering of wages while the wealthiest receive tax cuts, the overall tax base for Wisconsin will decrease. You'll have wealthy that don't want to pay taxes, the poor that can barely pay taxes and retirees that can afford to stay because their home is paid for. The lower tax base results in cuts to the state - typically teachers and education are the first to go. Educated families will see this and leave. Progressive companies will not want to be in Wisconsin because it lacks educated workers. Educated workers will want better schools for their children. It's a catch 22. That's why Florida is so bad for families now. It's full of retirees that vote down school support so the schools are terrible there.

While 53% of Wisconsin sneer in the faces of the 47%, there can be a lot of fallout.
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Old 06-06-2012, 01:21 PM
 
Location: New England
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The more educated states are always the best states because they attract the best employers. Nevada's solution to budgets was to cut back education and no company wants to go there. If the result in Wisconsin is an overall lowering of wages while the wealthiest receive tax cuts, the overall tax base for Wisconsin will decrease. You'll have wealthy that don't want to pay taxes, the poor that can barely pay taxes and retirees that can afford to stay because their home is paid for. The lower tax base results in cuts to the state - typically teachers and education are the first to go. Educated families will see this and leave. Progressive companies will not want to be in Wisconsin because it lacks educated workers. Educated workers will want better schools for their children. It's a catch 22. That's why Florida is so bad for families now. It's full of retirees that vote down school support so the schools are terrible there.

While 53% of Wisconsin sneer in the faces of the 47%, there can be a lot of fallout.
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Old 06-06-2012, 01:35 PM
 
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The more educated states are always the best states because they attract the best employers. Nevada's solution to budgets was to cut back education and no company wants to go there. If the result in Wisconsin is an overall lowering of wages while the wealthiest receive tax cuts, the overall tax base for Wisconsin will decrease. You'll have wealthy that don't want to pay taxes, the poor that can barely pay taxes and retirees that can afford to stay because their home is paid for. The lower tax base results in cuts to the state - typically teachers and education are the first to go. Educated families will see this and leave. Progressive companies will not want to be in Wisconsin because it lacks educated workers. Educated workers will want better schools for their children. It's a catch 22. That's why Florida is so bad for families now. It's full of retirees that vote down school support so the schools are terrible there.

While 53% of Wisconsin sneer in the faces of the 47%, there can be a lot of fallout.
I agree, Seacove. Nice job with the previous posts, as well..
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Old 06-06-2012, 01:37 PM
 
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The more educated states are always the best states because they attract the best employers. Nevada's solution to budgets was to cut back education and no company wants to go there. If the result in Wisconsin is an overall lowering of wages while the wealthiest receive tax cuts, the overall tax base for Wisconsin will decrease. You'll have wealthy that don't want to pay taxes, the poor that can barely pay taxes and retirees that can afford to stay because their home is paid for. The lower tax base results in cuts to the state - typically teachers and education are the first to go. Educated families will see this and leave. Progressive companies will not want to be in Wisconsin because it lacks educated workers. Educated workers will want better schools for their children. It's a catch 22. That's why Florida is so bad for families now. It's full of retirees that vote down school support so the schools are terrible there.

While 53% of Wisconsin sneer in the faces of the 47%, there can be a lot of fallout.
Wisconsin was never a hub for highly educated workers - not to the same extent as Silicon Valley, Silicon Alley, Boston or even Austin. That was the case before Walker, that is the case today with Walker. Walker is merely a symptom and not the cause.
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Old 06-06-2012, 01:38 PM
 
Location: 112 Ocean Avenue
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What MAY end are $100,000 per year Lieutenants working 35 hours per week with medical benefits and pensions for life after 20 years service. I can't see that being a problem.

http://www.bls.gov/ro5/unionwi.pdf
Lieutenants as in cops or firefighters? Sorry, local cops, state police, and firefighters are exempt. I guess Walker believes they're extra special or maybe its because they donated heavily to his first campaign for governor.
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Old 06-06-2012, 01:48 PM
 
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Lieutenants as in cops or firefighters? Sorry, local cops, state police, and firefighters are exempt. I guess Walker believes they're extra special or maybe its because they donated heavily to his first campaign for governor.
Whatever, the same idea applies. I don't know WI specifics, but in my state it's a HUGE problem. Perhaps fire and safety did not take the state tax payers to the woodshed in WI. I don't know. But there is bloat, and lots of it and there is nothing wrong with making government more accountable and lean.
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Old 06-06-2012, 02:00 PM
 
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The more educated states are always the best states because they attract the best employers. Nevada's solution to budgets was to cut back education and no company wants to go there. If the result in Wisconsin is an overall lowering of wages while the wealthiest receive tax cuts, the overall tax base for Wisconsin will decrease. You'll have wealthy that don't want to pay taxes, the poor that can barely pay taxes and retirees that can afford to stay because their home is paid for. The lower tax base results in cuts to the state - typically teachers and education are the first to go. Educated families will see this and leave. Progressive companies will not want to be in Wisconsin because it lacks educated workers. Educated workers will want better schools for their children. It's a catch 22. That's why Florida is so bad for families now. It's full of retirees that vote down school support so the schools are terrible there.

While 53% of Wisconsin sneer in the faces of the 47%, there can be a lot of fallout.
We all are paying taxes disregards of our wishes. Companies in Silicon Valley do not hire many locals, who are a product of our unionized schools districts. How many recruiters work for Google world wide? We have a huge number of H1B comers here. And many companies are leaving California because of high taxes and high cost of living. The only thing that keeps many of wealthy people here (and their businesses) is a unique climate.
If Wisconsin has the same climate advantage, who knows what state it will be in today.

BTW California is so broke today because of the same problem. And unions keep Brown on short leash.
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