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Old 06-06-2012, 02:03 PM
 
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Lieutenants as in cops or firefighters? Sorry, local cops, state police, and firefighters are exempt. I guess Walker believes they're extra special or maybe its because they donated heavily to his first campaign for governor.
Wrong. Police and fire most certainly did not "donate heavily" to the Walker campaign. In fact, of the three public safety unions that endorsed Walker, only a small amount (less than 1,000) was donated by a single union.
Walker owed nothing to them.

Police and fire were exempted to prevent them from walking off the job, should they be included in the legislation. Probably a smart move considering that a large IAFF local walked out on strike, for far less than the issues of today in 1981. Meanwhile, the president of Madison's local IAFF-311, was captured on video advocating firefighters participate in a general strike, in March of 2011. It would seem to me a legit concern given past practice and the demonstrated attitude by some of the current union leadership.

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Old 06-06-2012, 02:09 PM
 
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We all are paying taxes disregards of our wishes. Companies in Silicon Valley do not hire many locals, who are a product of our unionized schools districts. How many recruiters work for Google world wide? We have a huge number of H1B comers here. And many companies are leaving California because of high taxes and high cost of living. The only thing that keeps many of wealthy people here (and their businesses) is a unique climate.
If Wisconsin has the same climate advantage, who knows what state it will be in today.

BTW California is so broke today because of the same problem. And unions keep Brown on short leash.
It actually speaks volumes about California, that it can be heavy in debt and suffering from deficits yet its workers by and large are not in the same fix as those from WI who are faced with skills obsolescence and diminishing wages. And companies in SV hire a lot of high skilled people regardless of whether they are US residents or H1B. It's a good thing for them, not something to frown on. That's why its labor pool is strong and continues to attract talented workers and high tech investors.

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Old 06-06-2012, 02:55 PM
 
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It actually speaks volumes about California, that it can be heavy in debt and suffering from deficits yet its workers by and large are not in the same fix as those from WI who are faced with skills obsolescence and diminishing wages.
Actually San Diego and San Jose already started a process to reduce public unions benefits. They voted yesterday too.

2 California cities voters embrace pension cuts

and the fact that Silicon Valley companies are not hiring locals speaks volume of the quality of California public schools (read - product of unions work here).
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Old 06-06-2012, 02:58 PM
 
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We all are paying taxes disregards of our wishes. Companies in Silicon Valley do not hire many locals, who are a product of our unionized schools districts. How many recruiters work for Google world wide? We have a huge number of H1B comers here. And many companies are leaving California because of high taxes and high cost of living. The only thing that keeps many of wealthy people here (and their businesses) is a unique climate.
If Wisconsin has the same climate advantage, who knows what state it will be in today.

BTW California is so broke today because of the same problem. And unions keep Brown on short leash.
Not only do companies in Silicon Valley hire locals, they have opened up offices here in Washington State to hire locals here. From Facebook to Zynga: A guide to the tech giants establishing Seattle outposts - GeekWire

Now you're against schools? Because the teachers are unionized? Good luck with that education thing there Wisconsin.

Keep waiting for all those companies to leave California and come running to Wisconsin.

California has debt due to complicated issues like Prop 13 limiting property taxes among other issues. California also only gets back 78 cents for every federal tax dollar they contribute to the country. (Wisconsin also gives more than it gets back at only 86 cents Federal Spending Received Per Dollar of Taxes Paid by State, 2005 | Tax Foundation).

You can keep making the state more attractive to the wealthiest of Wisconsin but remember, Wyoming does it and no one lives there:

http://money.cnn.com/galleries/2008/...fsb/index.html
"The Tax Foundation, a nonpartisan tax analysis organization, ranks Wyoming's tax structure as the No. 1 most business-friendly in the nation..."

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Old 06-06-2012, 03:10 PM
 
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Actually San Diego and San Jose already started a process to reduce public unions benefits. They voted yesterday too.

2 California cities voters embrace pension cuts

and the fact that Silicon Valley companies are not hiring locals speaks volume of the quality of California public schools (read - product of unions work here).
But CA hasn't taken away public unions' collective bargaining privilages. Even NY government agencies are laying off unionized workers. So what?

And who said SV companies are not hiring locals? That's hogwash. They are hiring computer science/engineering graduates of Berkeley and Stanford, in addition to masters and PhD graduates from all over the world. In SV demand for highly skilled workers is greater than supply, which is a good thing.
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Old 06-06-2012, 03:26 PM
 
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But CA hasn't taken away public unions' collective bargaining privilages. Even NY government agencies are laying off unionized workers. So what?

And who said SV companies are not hiring locals? That's hogwash. They are hiring computer science/engineering graduates of Berkeley and Stanford, in addition to masters and PhD graduates from all over the world. In SV demand for highly skilled workers is greater than supply, which is a good thing.
our governor Jerry Brown is union's guy. He introduced collective bargaining privileges in first place in California. This is why we are in such hole today.

and how many locals public HS graduates getting accepted to Berkeley or Stanford to get hired by SV companies? California ranks 49th out of 50 states on academics in public schools now, 50 years ago California was in top ten.
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Old 06-06-2012, 03:34 PM
 
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our governor Jerry Brown is union's guy. He introduced collective bargaining privileges in first place in California. This is why we are in such hole today.

and how many locals public HS graduates getting accepted to Berkeley or Stanford to get hired by SV companies? California ranks 49th out of 50 states on academics in public schools now, 50 years ago California was in top ten.
What is your question, if high school graduates accepted by Stanford or Berkeley are getting hired by Silicon Valley companies?

Innovation comes from myriad sources, including the bastions of East Coast learning, but Stanford has established itself as the intellectual nexus of the information economy. In early April, Facebook acquired the photo-sharing service Instagram, for a billion dollars; naturally, the co-founders of the two-year-old company are Stanford graduates in their late twenties. The initial investor was a Stanford alumnus.
Read more Is Stanford Too Close to Silicon Valley? : The New Yorker
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Old 06-06-2012, 03:50 PM
 
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The more educated states are always the best states because they attract the best employers. Nevada's solution to budgets was to cut back education and no company wants to go there. If the result in Wisconsin is an overall lowering of wages while the wealthiest receive tax cuts, the overall tax base for Wisconsin will decrease. You'll have wealthy that don't want to pay taxes, the poor that can barely pay taxes and retirees that can afford to stay because their home is paid for. The lower tax base results in cuts to the state - typically teachers and education are the first to go. Educated families will see this and leave. Progressive companies will not want to be in Wisconsin because it lacks educated workers. Educated workers will want better schools for their children. It's a catch 22. That's why Florida is so bad for families now. It's full of retirees that vote down school support so the schools are terrible there.

While 53% of Wisconsin sneer in the faces of the 47%, there can be a lot of fallout.
Wow - for 3.5 years I've listened to nothing but "we won, you lost. Now deal with the legislation that Obama and his cronies are shoving down your throat".

Here's the difference between the left and right. The left starts shrieking and screaming, and gnashing their teeth, and hiding out in other states when they "lose". The right just goes about changing things at the ballot box.
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Old 06-06-2012, 03:54 PM
 
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So that's what you get from a point about education in Wisconsin? I'm not surprised. Your governor doesn't even have a college degree and you voted for him twice. Clearly education is not a priority for you.
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Old 06-06-2012, 04:00 PM
 
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our governor Jerry Brown is union's guy. He introduced collective bargaining privileges in first place in California. This is why we are in such hole today.
I'm not denying that CA is in a fiscal hole. I'm saying many of California's workers will do well despite the state being in a fiscal hole.

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and how many locals public HS graduates getting accepted to Berkeley or Stanford to get hired by SV companies? California ranks 49th out of 50 states on academics in public schools now, 50 years ago California was in top ten.
Those guys with masters degrees and PhDs who now work in Silicon Valley are California residents regardless of where they went to high school. They contribute to the state's economy and the tax base. Why are these companies in CA and not WI?
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