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Old 06-06-2012, 04:02 PM
 
Location: New England
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So that's what you get from a point about education in Wisconsin? I'm not surprised. Your governor doesn't even have a college degree and you voted for him twice. Clearly education is not a priority for you.
No, what he got was this "shrieking and screaming, and gnashing their teeth" from you folks.

But maybe you are right. Conservatives want dumb children, poor citizens, sick people, elderly in the street, and the rich served by slaves. You got it, yep...you suuuure do. That's why they obsess over education and even do things like GASP home school their children (Who BTW tend to outshine public school kids.), that's why they promote entrepreneurial mindsets and believe that everyone has the ability to prosper, it's why they give OVER and above to charity and non profits who seek to help the sick and help the poor, and generally not not the RICH, and WHY the republicans supported freeing the slaves (Lincon? Hello?). There are more "liberals" who are "rich" than conservatives...mostly through entitlements and crony capitalism. Go figure.

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And the only one who has ever said "shove down your throat" is the Tea Party who seem to be obsessed with oral rape.
Seriously? I think you just let everyone know how "little" you are. Move on please, the adults have things to talk about.
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Old 06-06-2012, 04:11 PM
 
Location: Central Texas
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I'm not denying that CA is in a fiscal hole. I'm saying many of California's workers will do well despite the state being in a fiscal hole.
There are 2 million unemployed in California right now. Yup the teachers and prison workers are protected are doing well right now. But for how long?
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Old 06-06-2012, 04:14 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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Wrong. Police and fire most certainly did not "donate heavily" to the Walker campaign. In fact, of the three public safety unions that endorsed Walker, only a small amount (less than 1,000) was donated by a single union.
Walker owed nothing to them.

Police and fire were exempted to prevent them from walking off the job, should they be included in the legislation. Probably a smart move considering that a large IAFF local walked out on strike, for far less than the issues of today in 1981. Meanwhile, the president of Madison's local IAFF-311, was captured on video advocating firefighters participate in a general strike, in March of 2011. It would seem to me a legit concern given past practice and the demonstrated attitude by some of the current union leadership.
Let them walk off the jobs, and hopefully someone will replace them like Regan did with the AIr Traffic Controllers. There are plenty of people who would love to have jobs.
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Old 06-06-2012, 04:17 PM
 
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There are 2 million unemployed in California right now. Yup the teachers and prison workers are protected are doing well right now. But for how long?
So what if there are 2M unemployed people in CA? Those people don't have the skills to land 21st century jobs. People in the high tech field in CA have no problem finding good paying work and the more CA adds such jobs, the more those 2M unemployed will find work servicing them (retail, hospitality, etc.).
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Old 06-06-2012, 04:23 PM
 
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here are more "liberals" who are "rich" than conservatives...mostly through entitlements and crony capitalism.
Well, the first part is correct but entitlements and crony capitalism?

Romney, Bush, Trump, you name it the GOP are filled with rich who inherited their money. Not sure what that has to do with Wisconsin. Yes there are a lot of liberals that could be considered "rich" I guess but many of them are self-made, often through tech.

The point is, Wisconsin is pretty broken now. Just look at the comments here:http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepo...rt=newestfirst

The wounds are deep and you guys are not going to recover for a long while.
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Old 06-06-2012, 04:44 PM
 
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Most anti Walker people don't differentiate between public and private sector unions. That alone makes them less credible.

Walker has done nothing against private sectors and unions.
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Old 06-06-2012, 05:56 PM
 
Location: Area 51.5
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As someone who works in that industry, I can tell you that the Googles and Facebooks are never going to be interested in Wisconsin because of where it is located, the cultural environment and the lack of educated workers. And if the few educated workers Wisconsin has left leave, you'll only be worse off. A state full of haves (don't want to pay taxes), have-nots (no money to pay taxes) and retired people on Social Security. Good luck growing the state with that.
Clearly, you aren't as knowledgeable as you seem to think you are. Insider? Nah, don't think so.

You'd be surprised at where some of the big tech companies have locations. They look at tax structures first and foremost, then they look a issues such as right to work.

Every state has culture and every state has educated workers. Well, maybe every state but your state, wherever that is.
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Old 06-06-2012, 06:06 PM
 
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Those guys with masters degrees and PhDs who now work in Silicon Valley are California residents regardless of where they went to high school. They contribute to the state's economy and the tax base. Why are these companies in CA and not WI?
Maybe you need to work on your climate in WI? Get rid of snow first... Humidity next... Maybe you start to see some new companies moving to WI then

But original discussion was about public workers unions and what a wonderful job they were doing, so they deserve all that fabulous benefits for life paid from regular people pockets. I, personally, would like to have a school system, where teachers are rewarded for their achievements, not for number years in service. And teacher, who has a better results, should be compensated better. People should choose a career in education not because of "it's a job forever and pension", but because they love to teach.
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Old 06-06-2012, 06:11 PM
 
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Let them walk off the jobs, and hopefully someone will replace them like Regan did with the AIr Traffic Controllers. There are plenty of people who would love to have jobs.

The only people that would suffer then is the public. It takes months to get a firefighter or police officer thru the most basic of recruit schools, much less the time it takes to get them to be competent at what they do. That is also without taking into account the time and experience needed to provide all of the other services these agencies provide; many of which the general public doesn't understand.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not justifying the exclusion in the law. I was trying to clear up an inaccurate portrayal of events, something that happened all too often in this whole recall circus; much the same as I disagree with your "fire 'em all" mentality. Talking points aside, people would suffer and some would die with the philosophy you put out there.

In the case with air traffic controllers, planes don't fly and people won't die. The public would be placed in grave danger if public safety walked off the job in mass. Fires won't stop; heart attacks won't cease; criminals won't stop criminal behavior.

True, there are plenty of people who want jobs. Who would train them? Who would provide the experience to guide them along? Without that experience a lot of those stand-in police and fire would be put in body bags, as well.
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Old 06-06-2012, 06:15 PM
 
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Thank You Wisconsin from North Carolina!!

And yes, you may be saving America if it can only pay attention to what's happened. I found it very telling that the response from MSNBC and CNN (MSNBC lite) last night was focused on how the MONEY was the cause of Walker's "surviving." Not one of their anchors talked about his successful policies, and they then just quickly switched to the political ramifications for Obama.

Folks, we have a state under the leadership of Walker that just pulled itself out of severe debt and into the black, lowered unemployment from 8.7% to 6.7%, made IMPORTANT union and pension reforms that still don't even ask of the union members what private employees have to pay into their pensions/healthcare, lowered property taxes by .5% etc, etc, and no one is talking about these successful policies---CA and other bankrupt states should take serious note, along with the high functioning morons in the media.
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