Foodstamps in Wisconsin (Green Bay, Appleton, Plainfield: houses, buying, high school)
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Just passing through here but have to say.
GET A JOB, OP.
Why do you feel it's okay to place such a responsibility on your friend?
Because that's what friends are for.
When your *friendship* comes on a ground of calculating money and possible gains and losses, this is not friendship - it's an arranged relationship with "mutual benefits," that you can take or leave any day.
Because that's what friends are for.
When your *friendship* comes on a ground of calculating money and possible gains and losses, this is not friendship - it's an arranged relationship with "mutual benefits," that you can take or leave any day.
That is not a friend that is a "GD" mooch. So, instead of getting a job to support yourself, you want to mooch off the state of Wisconsin.
Last edited by CutlerMan; 06-21-2012 at 12:37 PM..
Reason: misspelling
Sorry, that's not up to you to decide who is "mooch" who is not in this situation; the judgement is up to his/her friend.
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So, instead of getting a job to support yourself, you want to mooch off the state of Wisconsin.
Obviously OP's friend knows his/her situation, and why this person can't support himself at this time, but of course it's up to people like you to throw accusations.
By all means go ahead if that makes you feel better.
Sorry, that's not up to you to decide who is "mooch" who is not in this situation; the judgement is up to his/her friend.
Obviously OP's friend knows his/her situation, and why this person can't support himself at this time, but of course it's up to people like you to throw accusations.
By all means go ahead if that makes you feel better.
I agree with you. I do not think OP is bad.
While not enamored by someone wanting public benefits just for moving, I think it is outrageous to assume they are bad, slackers or "GD moochers" because they are going to live with a friend for a while.
It is a private transaction between two people. I have helped friends who are in the course of changing their lives and/or are temporarily down on their luck.
I hope most of us would. The world would suck otherwise.
Helping others out is enjoyable and helps us appreciate our fortunate lot in life, if we are so lucky.
I do think that those of us who advocate limited government; MUST also then take on the burden of providing NECESSARY TEMPORARY support through either personal or private enterprise. We do not wish for people to die in the street. However providing "care" via government is a terrible, innefficient, corrupt method that leads to a weak people as the "care" can and has become permanant for some.
my sis wanted to relocate down here by us, and we offered to be her "safety net". We gave her a place to stay while she got on her feet. In fact she stayed with us for about 7 months. BUT she knew she was already wanting to come down so had already started contacting temp agencies and other businesses to get her foot in the door. So days after she settled in at our place she was already working. Sure it was temp, but it was a start to bring her in some $$ while we gave her the base needed to go out and get the full time position which she got shortly after. And this was happening in a state with a very high unemployment rate. She has since gotten the real good job she wanted and her own place.
My general point in this (not necessarily tied to the original post), is that i'm all for giving a hand to family or friend and would do it again. But in return i'd expect that person to do whatever they could to help support themselves and not treat it like a long vacation or let them expect to live off of others. Not wanting to sound cold, I just feel adults (of any age) need to do whatever they can to be responsible for themselves. And if something happens and a handout is needed that is fine as the initial effort was made.
I agree with you. I do not think OP is bad.
While not enamored by someone wanting public benefits just for moving, I think it is outrageous to assume they are bad, slackers or "GD moochers" because they are going to live with a friend for a while.
It is a private transaction between two people. I have helped friends who are in the course of changing their lives and/or are temporarily down on their luck.
I hope most of us would. The world would suck otherwise.
Helping others out is enjoyable and helps us appreciate our fortunate lot in life, if we are so lucky.
I do think that those of us who advocate limited government; MUST also then take on the burden of providing NECESSARY TEMPORARY support through either personal or private enterprise. We do not wish for people to die in the street.
You don't? Then you have no any other way around but to provide care via government, as inefficient and imperfect as it is. Because the system of "private" help would be unreliable and even more inefficient, when you are not talking about help on a scale of local community, but on a national level of such huge country as the US.
Because poor in America live in a different dimension comparably to the middle class, and this "temporary" help would have to be there every time the poor comes to the (next) end of the rope, be that lost job, any unexpected calamity such as fines or money borrowed by someone and not returned in-time, or any unexpected expense, even such trivial as car repair ( that is if they can afford a car.) Of course in perfect world the poor would suppose to live day by day, paying the bills like everyone else, putting right back what they've made during the day, thus being the nice screws in the money-making machine that America is, but guess what - not every one of them is that strong. If you take in consideration that poverty puts a lot of stress on family relations, and often they ( poor that is) are entangled in complex situations, where they can't afford a lawyer, or already own money that they can't pay, or they already have some fines that keep on piling up on top of crummy relations that they have in the family, so all of it often leads to complete mess and break-downs, where people don't care any longer about keeping that job that doesn't resolve anything because of the poor pay, and becomes simply yet another burden that they don't care to carry any longer. And so the cycle keeps on going, until the poor can't keep up any longer and end up on the streets.
I hope you are not going to tell me that the poor suppose to "get education and get higher-paying jobs," because obviously American society is organized in such way, that there will be always those who work for minimum payment and those who make millions. After all this is still a capitalist country and this is how capitalism works. With another words, as Jesus said "poor will always be among us," whether we like it or not. We'll have to accept this fact, the question is - how to deal with poor. You can put blame on them of course and tell yourself that it's their own fault that they are poor, and thus none of your business, or you can organize charity ( as it used to be in older times,) but whatever it is, poor are not going to disappear. Single mothers of course are a problem, because the price slapped on raising children in the US is sky high, but what are you going to do about them? America practically invented sex revolution; drugs sex and rock-n-roll are essentially American thing, so are you ready to publically condemn the whole generation of baby boomers who came up with this innovation? Are you able to turn clock back?
You see, all this right-wing indoctrination about how people suppose to live with no sex before marriage, to be "independent and self-sufficient" is just indoctrination where ideas might sound nice, but not all too realistic in the modern society. It's sort of like Soviet indoctrination that theoretically sounds nice, but practically is not very realistic as well. There are reasons why heaps of government funds were thrown to close the gap between the rich and the poor in order to counter-balance the original "right-wing" ideas on which America has been founded. It supposed to patch up the society after the left-wing ideas came in place ( and what is America without the 60ies, the hippies and all?)
So as they say, don't fix what's not broken, although I suspect that something is already broken and unfixable at that.
(Sorry I don't mean to sound rude in any way, just share my thoughts.)
my sis wanted to relocate down here by us, and we offered to be her "safety net". We gave her a place to stay while she got on her feet. In fact she stayed with us for about 7 months. BUT she knew she was already wanting to come down so had already started contacting temp agencies and other businesses to get her foot in the door. So days after she settled in at our place she was already working. Sure it was temp, but it was a start to bring her in some $$ while we gave her the base needed to go out and get the full time position which she got shortly after. And this was happening in a state with a very high unemployment rate. She has since gotten the real good job she wanted and her own place.
My general point in this (not necessarily tied to the original post), is that i'm all for giving a hand to family or friend and would do it again. But in return i'd expect that person to do whatever they could to help support themselves and not treat it like a long vacation or let them expect to live off of others. Not wanting to sound cold, I just feel adults (of any age) need to do whatever they can to be responsible for themselves. And if something happens and a handout is needed that is fine as the initial effort was made.
Well pat yourself on a shoulder, that you've helped your own sis, free of charge - isn't it grand?
Of course had your sis have any problems, such as being fired from the previous job, or not having good job qualification (without which she wouldn't be able to apply for jobs out of state I guess,) the story could have been entirely different, no?
Well pat yourself on a shoulder, that you've helped your own sis, free of charge - isn't it grand?
Of course had your sis have any problems, such as being fired from the previous job, or not having good job qualification (without which she wouldn't be able to apply for jobs out of state I guess,) the story could have been entirely different, no?
not sure if the first line was sincere or perhaps a bit sarcastic; but i sure didnt write any post looking for approvals from the forum or it's readers.
As for my sis, she left a good job to make the relocate as she was going thru other issues in her life and needed a change. But knowing the move was happening she was already looking to find something for work before she drove down. And made sure everyone she applied at or talked to knew she was to be living here and had an address for residency. So i don't think if she was fired or laid off first it would have been that different--the whole point was she did what she could even before day one to have some form of employment regardless of what it was at the start.... so she didnt make a move and then hope to get help or handouts later.
You don't? Then you have no any other way around but to provide care via government, as inefficient and imperfect as it is. Because the system of "private" help would be unreliable and even more inefficient, when you are not talking about help on a scale of local community, but on a national level of such huge country as the US.
Because poor in America live in a different dimension comparably to the middle class, and this "temporary" help would have to be there every time the poor comes to the (next) end of the rope, be that lost job, any unexpected calamity such as fines or money borrowed by someone and not returned in-time, or any unexpected expense, even such trivial as car repair ( that is if they can afford a car.) Of course in perfect world the poor would suppose to live day by day, paying the bills like everyone else, putting right back what they've made during the day, thus being the nice screws in the money-making machine that America is, but guess what - not every one of them is that strong. If you take in consideration that poverty puts a lot of stress on family relations, and often they ( poor that is) are entangled in complex situations, where they can't afford a lawyer, or already own money that they can't pay, or they already have some fines that keep on piling up on top of crummy relations that they have in the family, so all of it often leads to complete mess and break-downs, where people don't care any longer about keeping that job that doesn't resolve anything because of the poor pay, and becomes simply yet another burden that they don't care to carry any longer. And so the cycle keeps on going, until the poor can't keep up any longer and end up on the streets.
I hope you are not going to tell me that the poor suppose to "get education and get higher-paying jobs," because obviously American society is organized in such way, that there will be always those who work for minimum payment and those who make millions. After all this is still a capitalist country and this is how capitalism works. With another words, as Jesus said "poor will always be among us," whether we like it or not. We'll have to accept this fact, the question is - how to deal with poor. You can put blame on them of course and tell yourself that it's their own fault that they are poor, and thus none of your business, or you can organize charity ( as it used to be in older times,) but whatever it is, poor are not going to disappear. Single mothers of course are a problem, because the price slapped on raising children in the US is sky high, but what are you going to do about them? America practically invented sex revolution; drugs sex and rock-n-roll are essentially American thing, so are you ready to publically condemn the whole generation of baby boomers who came up with this innovation? Are you able to turn clock back?
You see, all this right-wing indoctrination about how people suppose to live with no sex before marriage, to be "independent and self-sufficient" is just indoctrination where ideas might sound nice, but not all too realistic in the modern society. It's sort of like Soviet indoctrination that theoretically sounds nice, but practically is not very realistic as well. There are reasons why heaps of government funds were thrown to close the gap between the rich and the poor in order to counter-balance the original "right-wing" ideas on which America has been founded. It supposed to patch up the society after the left-wing ideas came in place ( and what is America without the 60ies, the hippies and all?)
So as they say, don't fix what's not broken, although I suspect that something is already broken and unfixable at that.
(Sorry I don't mean to sound rude in any way, just share my thoughts.)
Ya sure - advocating limited government is anti Christian.
You liberals are unbelieveable in your denial that government is an inherently bad solution.
Further - I thought mixing god and government was taboo to you folks.
Do you think WI taxpayers "owe" OP foodstamps - if so why?
I do think that those of us who advocate limited government; MUST also then take on the burden of providing NECESSARY TEMPORARY support through either personal or private enterprise. We do not wish for people to die in the streeet.
An adult in our overnurished country can live for weeks without eating and not die. Hunger is a great motivator for getting a job and paying for the food yourself. Once you take the motivation out of the equation, you get ppl like OP. Out of state people coming on message boards asking how to cash in on government assistance without a Wisconsin address, which was the point of his post, to get insider information on how to game the system. I don't feel sorry for that at all.
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