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Old 08-24-2012, 12:07 PM
 
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Making Green into Gold

The argument against going green has been it’s too expensive and costs jobs. Both arguments hold no water. At the beginning of any industrial invention the expenses have always been high. For example; the first TV’s, the first VCR’s, the first commercial airplanes, computers, HD TV’s and the list is endless. Those industries and businesses that created these things and invested in them have made millions (Bill Gates). Whenever a new industry comes out it creates jobs. It is true that in one sector jobs might be lost for a time but over time more jobs are created than were lost.

For the sake of this post, it does not matter one bit whether you believe in global warming, pollution or not. But if you believe in more businesses, increased jobs and lower bills, then pay attention. If you thought this green thing was for leftist tree huggers, here’s short list of groups in the US who support going green.
• D.O.D. (that’s right) and a former head of the CIA
• Hearst Corporation
• BP, Exxon and Shell Oil Corporation
• Waste Management Corporation
• General Foods (aka Kraft Foods ) you know the Patriot’s Kraft
• The City of Chicago, New York Developers and Bank of America
• The Evangelical Environmental Alliance
• People many who believe global warming doesn’t exist

Not exactly your average group of leftist extremist tree huggers!

DOD and a former head of the CIA
– After Desert Storm members of Middle Eastern operational commands in various forward locations (Green Hawks) came to the conclusion that our dependence on oil had some major downsides and began initiating operations in some locations to try and solve some of those problems.

Problem: Transporting and using traditional fuels was inefficient (up to 30% was wasted or never got to its destination) and costly in terms of money and American lives. According to Green Hawk, terrorist prefer attacking convoys which carry fuel supplies. When the fuel arrives it is used to power huge cooling units for barracks which are massively ineffective leaving troops less than combat ready. By going green the military found they can carry their power supplies with them (wind and solar) and by refitting the soldier’s quarters can make it more comfortable and energy efficient. This has reduced the energy costs where this technology is being used by over 2/3. If the Pentagon would ever wake up and use these technologies at all its locations, the savings would be enormous and they would be able to operate on a smaller budget which would means lower taxes.

Problem: As fossil fuels become more scarce and more people are displaced by rising oceans, the world will go to war over fossil fuels and land. These means more wars overseas and more dead Americans. Green Hawk believes that reducing our dependence on oil and using green technology will enable us to avoid oversea wars and have fewer dead.

As a Colonel in Green Hawks stated “Green is the new red white and blue”.

Shell and Exxon Oil Companies
Why would two oil company CEO’s support putting themselves out of business? Simple
• They have realized based on information from their scientists that the world’s supply of oil is running out and they are driving to extinction in a model T. So, they diversify and get into existing technologies that have a proven track record, are cheaper to create and are more long lasting. Once they do that they will be driving a Bentley again.
• Profit margin. They know that China, Japan and Germany will have cornered the market in Renewable energy sources and manufacture by 2020 and they want their share. So what is standing in their way.
1. Those including the powers that be who are living in the past and use their lobby power to prevent state and federal legislatures from passing laws and regulations that favor renewable energy use and development.
2. The reluctance of some citizens to accept new ideas and use their votes to prove it.
• Are these men interested in global warming or renewable energy. No they are interested n the bottom line, profit margin and their jobs.

British Petroleum and General Foods
In the early 1990’s British Petroleum UK/US and General Foods became proactive in their responsibilities towards environment. In 21 years as a regulator I never had a responsible party call in a release voluntarily and then start cleanup without being told to by regulators, EXCEPT THEM.
By 2000 BP retrofitted all their gas stations with equipment that exceeded the standards of the day and installed monitoring devices not required by law. These two companies had come to the conclusion that sooner is not only better but a lot cheaper. And BP realized that being proactive costs in the short term but pays off in the long term and that’s their bottom line.

City of Chicago, Bank of America and a New York Developer.
All three of these are actively involved in basically the same enterprise. Saving and making money. It’s the way they are doing it.
In Chicago, the city is encouraging building owners where feasible to either plant grasses on their roofs or paint their roofs white. They are also encouraging them to put in REAL reflective glass. All three of these organizations have discovered that by retrofitting building and painting roofs white or putting grasses on them they reduce energy demands by about 1/3. Chicago estimates that if every building that could do it, would, the savings to businesses downtown would be 150 million per year total. This would mean tenants pay less and the owners could make more.
In New York a developer was persuaded to retrofitting a small building he owned in Manhattan. He was so impressed by the results he retrofitted the Empire State Building. Within less than a year his energy costs have dropped by 40%
Bank of America has recently retrofitted their headquarters building and plans on going green with any new banks constructed.

Ordinary Citizens
• A man in Roscoe Texas decided to help during a stretch of bad luck in the town. He turned to wind driven turbines and gradually built a cooperative where anyone who allowed him to put one on their property would share in the profits. Eventually each cooperative member was earning up to $15,000 per turbine per year. He now owns the largest wind farm in the country with over 4500 turbines. Those turbines are providing 250,000 homes with power. The turbines are manufactured in Roscoe and an abandoned steel mill in New England by former steel workers.
• A man in Alaska who doesn’t think global warming is caused by man wanted to help his neighbors so he started providing them with geothermal energy from hot springs on his property. When he began most people were paying 30 cents per kilowatt hour by the local utility now they are being charged 5 cents by him and soon they will be charged a penny.
• A man in Seattle Washington doesn’t believe global warming exists but as an engineer for a commercial airline manufacturing company he is trying to build the world’s most fuel efficient engine. Why because lower fuel costs means more planes being built and that means his company makes money.
• In the 70’s two ranchers in Texas were having financial trouble and looked for alternatives. By the 1990’s they were raising and breeding exotic animals for zoos. They now own the largest independent wildlife parks in North America. Their bottom line, keep my ranch.

Evangelical Environmental Alliance
During Clinton’s second term some evangelical ministers in the south began discussing the findings of theological researchers who had discovered errors in the interpretation of parts of the Old Testament. These researches had discovered that through the many translations of the Bible from Aramaic to Hebrew to Greek to Latin to German and then to English several words and phrases had been misinterpreted. The most important of these was in Genesis 1:28 where it says in part “…fill the earth and subdue it.” Apparently the English word “subdue” (which in Webster means to bring into subjection, to vanquish or conquer) was misinterpreted. According to these researchers the real meaning was closer to stewardship or to oversee it. These Evangelical ministers came to the realization that:
• God created the earth
• God blessed all things on it
• Why would God create the earth then tell man to vanquish it.
• The earth is God’s creation which he blessed and man has no right to destroy it.


According to the Department of Energy the world uses about 16 terawatts (sixteen trillion watts) of energy every year. Four of those are in the USA.
• Every day the sun throws 86,000 terawatts on the earth’s surface
• Winds produces 860 terawatts every day.
• Geothermal Energy produces 32 terawatts every year.

The DOE says that maximizing efforts to use just wind energy would result in the production of more energy than all other sources combined.
Of all the energy technologies out there the ones that are most labor intensive are the three we use most today.
Coal – It has to be mined, then loaded on freight cars, then transported to the plants where it is scrubbed and sorted. It is then burned and in most places the emissions go through scrubbers. Each step costs money
Oil - The oil has to be found, then drilled for, then pumped out , then loaded onto transport devices (trains, boats, tanker trucks) and transported to refineries where it is put through cracking towers to make various products including diesel and gasoline. These products have additives and other chemicals added to them depending on their use. Then they are transported to the delivery point (such as gas and diesel stations). The emissions from cracking towers may go through some type of purification system. This all costs money.
Nuclear Power –designing a “safe” plant, getting it approved, continue through a building process with many delays, getting it permitted to operate and then operating it safely, protecting the facility, cleaning the discharge vents, replacing radioactive water, containerizing the waste materials, transporting them safely, depositing them safely and then guarding them until rapture. Each plant costs millions of dollars to build and more to maintain safely. Nuclear Energy does produce pollution but not necessarily in the air. Most nuclear power plants discharge heated water into their receptor water bodies which causes algae blooms which must be regularly cleaned up to prevent to discharge vents from becoming clogged. They also produce a nuclear waste which must be sent to some place far away from people to be guarded for the next 2-10,000 years depending on what isotope was used.

And who do you think pays for all this?

With solar, wind and geothermal it is much simpler and comparatively much less labor intensive. So what? Money! If something takes less time and energy to process and deliver it will be cheaper for the produced and if it is easier to own, install and operate it is cheaper for the consumer. WIN WIN.

ALGAE Algae can be made into diesel and jet fuel whereas all the other organics cannot. It is also the least labor intensive. A series of large ponds about 4-6 inches deep filled with screened runoff from sewage treatment plants can produce 5000 gallons of fuel per year. Multiply this by 50 states and multiple ponds and you get the point. Algae diesel and jet fuel mean cheaper fuel, which means more savings which means cheaper products and services which means money and jobs.

Competition. China, Japan and Germany are on their way to cornering the renewable energy market and if they succeed we (USA) are SOL if we don’t start working on getting our fair share of the market. If we get going we can be energy independent and at least catch up with the other countries by 2020. First we have to do two things.
1. Get the dead heads in Washington and the states to allow the sale of excess energy to utilities and other facilities by private individuals.
2. Tax industrial Carbon emissions! As long as companies have no vested interested in their emissions they cause they will not stop. Once they have a vested interest they will use their energy more wisely and allow renewable energy to become a larger part of the pie.
3. Another good idea would be to get the DOD to jump start this whole thing like the folks at Green Hawk have done. Like one of them said “If the military goes green, the US will go green”.

JOBS - The new industries spreading across America will create millions of new jobs with some going to the poorest parts of the country. This will create more revenue, decrease the deficit and lower welfare roles.

CARS - Cheaper and more efficient fuels mean more savings at the pump more savings in production and cars that can go further on less fuel.

“It is no longer a question of what does it cost to go green but what will it cost not to”. President and CEO of Bank America

So if you are opposed to;
• Creating new business and millions of jobs in the USA
• Decreasing energy costs, utility costs and costs at the pump
• Saving American Lives and Preserving National Security
• Reducing dependence on oil countries
• Increasing energy efficiency
• Being Patriotic
• Complying with God’s plan
• Saving money and lowering the deficit

Then by all means continue to oppose renewable energy. If not then maybe you should reconsider your opposition.

Green = Business= jobs = money for everyone!!!

The information provided above is based on facts which can easily be found on the internet and at your public library. I would ask that if you are going to disagree with this information that you provide facts which are supported by reputable documentation or information and where I can find it. If you are going to argue just for its own sake or because you don't like what whats written that's your right but your words will not change the facts.

I strongly advise everyone to watch the film "Carbon Nation" it is a REAL eye opener no matter what side of the fence your on.

Wolfman 24
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Old 08-27-2012, 12:35 PM
 
Location: Verona, WI
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Thumbs down Big letdown!

By the subject line, I thought this thread in the WI forum was going to be about the Packers new season. Big letdown!
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Old 08-27-2012, 03:15 PM
 
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Hello

Sorry about that. I normally wait until the real season has got going before I do or say anything.

Wolfman 24
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Old 08-27-2012, 03:42 PM
 
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Sorry if this comes off as harsh, but why is this posted in the Wisconsin forum?
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Old 08-27-2012, 06:40 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin's great north woods
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I lost interest after the 17th paragraph...
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Old 08-28-2012, 07:02 AM
 
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Hello

Argot asked what my thread has to do with Wisconsin.

There is a debate over renewable energy and alternative energy sources. Like it or not Wisconsin is part of it. If you doubt it just drive north of Madison on the interstate. There are those who would gut REAL alternative energy including the Republican candidates simply to keeping going as we are. Then there are those who do not understand the "Big Picture" of alternative energy and renewable resources like our current President. (Lets build more nuclear power plants).

All of my working adult life I have heard the same three lame arguments against the extensive use of alternative energy and renewable resources.
1. Too expensive
2. Only liberals and tree huggers are for it
3. There's no money or future in it

My post was designed to show the foolishness of these arguments. Now people complain about jobs and the economy. This is where Wisconsin comes in. Switching from conventional energy to alternative energy would create large numbers of jobs in Wisconsin especially where there are empty auto factories (retool them) to build wind turbines and solar panels. We are also a corn producing state and have other crops which can be used. These "industries" would create spin off industries which mean more jobs and a better economy. Estimates are from 10's to 100's of thousands within 5 years in Wisconsin alone. Using alternative energy would allow regular people who use it to make extra money by selling their excess energy to the utilities or other concerns (provided the legislature agrees). It would also mean lower energy bills.

Our state motto is "Forward". We have always been innovators. Now we can be forward looking innovators.

I hope this answers the question. I apologize for the length of my post but I needed to answer those 3 questions.

Thanks

Wolfman 24
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Old 08-28-2012, 12:17 PM
 
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Yes, Wisconsin is part of the green debate. So is almost every other state. That doesn't mean every state forum should have one of these posts in it.
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Old 09-22-2012, 06:57 PM
 
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LOL wolfma24

If you are posting this under every state I wanna be there the day you post on the North Dakota board! This WI born and raised wife of an oilfield worker in North Dakota has a VERY different take on green jobs as does nearly every resident in the great state of North Dakota.
Here is what the democratic media has pretty much failed to tell America:

Numerous geologists feel that the Bakken formation in western North Dakota and eastern Montana contains more oil that ALL of Saudi Arabia. Further exploration deep into Colorado holds promise of BILLIONS of additional oil than once thought. To sum it all up, the oil in the continental US along with Alaska has enough crude to sustain America for about 2,000 years.

What impact is that having on the ND economy? At any given time there are between 14,000 to 17,000 current job openings in the western part of the state. Williams County in north western ND had an unemployment rate of 0.7%. in July. The average adult in McKenzie County is making nearly $1,500 per week. The current starting wage at Walmart in Williston, ND is paying $17 per hour. I have to wait for usually 2 weeks when I make a salon appointment in Watford City, ND just for a haircut. The Minot Menard's is the number one store in the Menard's chain. Most truck drivers make 90-120 thousand dollars a year. Getting the picture?

Drill Baby Drill.....earth first, we'll get to the other planets later!
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