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Old 11-21-2014, 11:42 AM
 
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Drug testing for welfare has been debunked by states who have tried it. The tests actually cost more money than they saved, since a very small percentage of people who receive welfare do drugs. Not to mention, the rate of illegal drug usage was actually HIGHER in the general population than it was in the welfare population. So, I always wonder why a group who claims to be extremely anti-tax would want something that is clearly a waste of tax payers' money.
It makes them feel good to punish and hurt other Americans, that's why.
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Old 11-21-2014, 11:49 AM
 
Location: Southwest Minneapolis
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I think you have been brainwashed by leftists including the President himself. As he semi-famously said:

“The Republican plan says that what’s been standing in the way between us and full employment are laws that keep companies from polluting as much as they want,” Obama said in a speech at the regional airport in Asheville, N.C., on Monday. “On the other hand, our plan [Obama’s plan] puts teachers, construction workers, firefighters and police officers back on the job.”
“My plan says we’re going to put teachers back in the classroom, construction workers back to work rebuilding America, rebuilding our schools, tax cuts for small businesses, tax cuts for hiring veterans, tax cuts if you give your worker a raise,” said Obama. “That’s my plan. Then you’ve got their plan, which is, let’s have dirtier air, dirtier water, less people with health insurance. So far at least, I feel better about my plan.”


I know this tired rhetoric and stale narrative helps some of you sleep at night and keep your nose slightly elevated during your waking hours. However, saying this statement encapsulates the beliefs of most conservatives is no different than someone assuming that liberals are a bunch of tree hugging, America hating communists.

The main thing these generalizations do is prevent intelligent conversation and ensure that there will be no common ground between the two sides.

For example, the stuff the President was referring to above sure sounds and FEELS good. However, a reasonable (and intelligent?) conservative may ask, how/why is the federal government "GOING TO PUT TEACHERS IN THE CLASSROOM?" How does that fall within the scope of the constitutional powers of the federal government?

A conservative may also ask the question of, why were the Feds throwing nearly a billion dollars at the state to pay the initial costs for "high speed" rail project that isn't needed, will be under utilized and cost the state tons of money in operating and ancillary costs? Is it really the state's duty to accept $800 million of OUR money for something we don't need? Here's a good article on the topic: The Great Train Robbery

When its convenient, the left loves to complain about our crumbling infrastructure. Why isn't this money being spent on roads and bridges that need it (this was Scott Walker's original intent) or not being spent at all because we don't have it to spend in the first place?

Oh wait, this fiscal responsibility stuff is just some silly talking point for stupid hillbilly rednecks.
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Old 11-21-2014, 11:55 AM
 
Location: RI, MA, VT, WI, IL, CA, IN (that one sucked), KY
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I think you have been brainwashed by leftists including the President himself.

You lost me at the President being a leftist.
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Old 05-08-2015, 01:06 PM
 
Location: RI, MA, VT, WI, IL, CA, IN (that one sucked), KY
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Funding Cuts | Devil's Lake State Park Visitors Guide

Brilliant. Just brilliant. Education was one of the great things about the State, so cut funding to it.

The State Park system was/is another thing that is great about the State, so cut funding to it. No tax dollars to the State Parks. Aces.

Presidential material for sure.
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Old 05-08-2015, 01:16 PM
 
Location: Milwaukee
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Funding Cuts | Devil's Lake State Park Visitors Guide

Brilliant. Just brilliant. Education was one of the great things about the State, so cut funding to it.

The State Park system was/is another thing that is great about the State, so cut funding to it. No tax dollars to the State Parks. Aces.

Presidential material for sure.
Well, that's all he cares about. He isn't even a WI native. We're a stepping stone. Considering how laughably he belly-flopped as Gov on almost every point, and considering that his approval ratings in the state are set to go below 40% any minute, the joke will be on him very soon. The national and international media isn't quite as kind as what you find in Madison, WI, and certainly more unrelenting.
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Old 05-09-2015, 07:14 AM
 
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Yeah, this totally isn't a setup to sell off our state parks to private interests? Right? RIGHT?
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Old 05-09-2015, 09:45 AM
 
Location: Portland OR
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Funding Cuts | Devil's Lake State Park Visitors Guide

Brilliant. Just brilliant. Education was one of the great things about the State, so cut funding to it.

The State Park system was/is another thing that is great about the State, so cut funding to it. No tax dollars to the State Parks. Aces.

Presidential material for sure.
Many states do not fund their park systems via general tax revenue to extent WI does.
Someone's agenda driven, melodramatic blog is not fact.

To your other point: Where has Education been damaged by the relatively modest restructuring?

Your continued false assumption is that tax revenue MUST be always used in the same manner.
Your default position is that "tax support" = "good."
That is a false premise.
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Old 05-09-2015, 12:10 PM
 
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Well, that's all he cares about. He isn't even a WI native. We're a stepping stone. Considering how laughably he belly-flopped as Gov on almost every point, and considering that his approval ratings in the state are set to go below 40% any minute, the joke will be on him very soon. The national and international media isn't quite as kind as what you find in Madison, WI, and certainly more unrelenting.
well, walker has lived in wisconsin since he was 10 so he knows wisconsin very well. He graduated from delevan darian high.

"When Walker was ten years old, the family moved to Delavan, Wisconsin, a city of about 8,000, where his father continued to work as a preacher. He attained the highest rank, Eagle Scout, in the Boy Scouts of America,[9][10] and graduated from Delavan-Darien High School in 1986"
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Old 05-09-2015, 01:30 PM
 
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Many states do not fund their park systems via general tax revenue to extent WI does.
Someone's agenda driven, melodramatic blog is not fact.

To your other point: Where has Education been damaged by the relatively modest restructuring?

Your continued false assumption is that tax revenue MUST be always used in the same manner.
Your default position is that "tax support" = "good."
That is a false premise.
Here's the story from WPR. Not exactly just "some guy's melodramatic blog."

Elimination Of Tax Funding For State Parks Approved By Budget Committee | Wisconsin Public Radio
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Old 05-09-2015, 04:57 PM
 
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Here's the story from WPR. Not exactly just "some guy's melodramatic blog."

Elimination Of Tax Funding For State Parks Approved By Budget Committee | Wisconsin Public Radio
Edit: By the way, there are absolutely NO states that have completely non-tax payer funded state parks. Are we to trust Walker that he can somehow make ours the first? I know I'm personally not that naive.
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