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Old 08-04-2015, 10:50 AM
 
Location: Milwaukee
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Where is the "aggressiveness" here?
There wasn't any at all from me, until milt (mach 8 or whatever) started going at me, as usual. I wonder if he gets paid?
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Old 08-06-2015, 05:57 AM
 
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I may have posted this here in the past, but it's worth a read again. I'm assuming the die hard right-wingers won't bother, but oh well:

An Open Letter to Those Who Still Stand With Walker | Dissent and Cookies
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Old 08-06-2015, 01:09 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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I may have posted this here in the past, but it's worth a read again. I'm assuming the die hard right-wingers won't bother, but oh well:

An Open Letter to Those Who Still Stand With Walker | Dissent and Cookies
IMO, those who support Walker and his attack on public and private unions, actually have a secret desire to bring others down to their level. This is the ultimate form of socialism!
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Old 08-06-2015, 06:01 PM
 
Location: Mequon, WI
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IMO, those who support Walker and his attack on public and private unions, actually have a secret desire to bring others down to their level. This is the ultimate form of socialism!
No, from what I've been told by them is that they're too poor to vote republican.
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Old 08-06-2015, 09:21 PM
 
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No, from what I've been told by them is that they're too poor to vote republican.
Interesting. Could you explain then the population that has money. & they vote democrat?
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Old 08-07-2015, 08:07 AM
 
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IMO, those who support Walker and his attack on public and private unions, actually have a secret desire to bring others down to their level. This is the ultimate form of socialism!
Your right! I do want to bring others down to my lowly level, where I am responsible for my own retirement, and am able to negotiate my own salary based on my talent and abilities.

What's wrong with that?
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Old 08-07-2015, 08:15 AM
 
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Your right! I do want to bring others down to my lowly level, where I am responsible for my own retirement, and am able to negotiate my own salary based on my talent and abilities.

What's wrong with that?
So if someone is doing better than you or has better negotiated benefits, you think they should have those taken away? Why not try to better yourself and try to get similar benefits?
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Old 08-07-2015, 09:01 AM
 
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So if someone is doing better than you or has better negotiated benefits, you think they should have those taken away? Why not try to better yourself and try to get similar benefits?

Absolutely no problem with someone having better benefits then I do, except when I am forced to pay for it (i.e., public sector workers).

Under that condition, it seems fair that those who receive the benefits provided by tax dollars have a benefit system similar to those who produce the tax revenue in the first place (i.e., the private sector).
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Old 08-07-2015, 09:05 AM
 
Location: Bay View, Milwaukee
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Your right! I do want to bring others down to my lowly level, where I am responsible for my own retirement, and am able to negotiate my own salary based on my talent and abilities.

What's wrong with that?
The government pension is a supplement and does not offset below-average salaries, so state employees do have to be responsible for their own retirement. Walker, for example, has at least four retirement accounts, though he hasn't been good at putting money into them. (He has high debt and negative net worth.)

Ted Cruz’s book royalties may be higher than Scott Walker’s net worth - The Washington Post

Most state employees have never been able to negotiate salaries on an individual basis, hence the need for collective bargaining. Now with Act 10 in place, there is no standard place for salary negotiation at all.

So, I guess the idea was not to bring public workers down to your level, but actually below that level.
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Old 08-07-2015, 09:22 AM
 
Location: Bay View, Milwaukee
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Absolutely no problem with someone having better benefits then I do, except when I am forced to pay for it (i.e., public sector workers).

Under that condition, it seems fair that those who receive the benefits provided by tax dollars have a benefit system similar to those who produce the tax revenue in the first place (i.e., the private sector).
Then, don't you think the salaries for public workers should be adjusted to reflect equivalent private-sector jobs or skill sets?

In most cases, that means total compensation for public employees would rise. Even if benefit values shrink to match the private sector, salaries would have to increase by a much greater degree to achieve parity with the benchmarks.

For example, the governor, agency managers, public attorneys, university CEOs/administrators, school principals, accountants, professors, many teachers, and others would wind up costing taxpayers more if salaries were brought in line.

Buy hey, at least that would be fair.
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