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Old 07-03-2019, 10:47 AM
 
Location: Northern Wisconsin
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I cannot for the life of me imagine how this is possible. There isnt an an abundance of wind like west Texas. There isnt an an abundance of sunshine like Az. So where is this power supposed to come. Line losses are such that power can only be sent about 300 miles. So where is the power coming from?
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Old 07-03-2019, 11:48 AM
 
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Good question since batteries are not capable of storing wind or solar efficiently yet and the billions to do so is prohibitive. People don't understand the costs associated with this not to mention it will not be enough to satisfy power for everybody.. They also do not realize that there are other environmental costs associated with the production of batteries and solar components some of which need to be mined extensively not to mention disposal of said products. Nice idea but we are 30 to 50 years away from this concept that will only supply enough power for 50% of the population
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Old 07-03-2019, 12:25 PM
 
Location: Bay View, Milwaukee
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I just see it as a starting point: He probably knows that only a portion of the goal is likely to be reached in such a short time.

Also, it looks like his proposal includes increased nuclear generation-- could be a big step, but also controversial.

https://madison.com/wsj/news/local/e...ddf6760cc.html
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Old 07-03-2019, 12:26 PM
 
Location: SE WI
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Meanwhile in my neck of the woods a perfectly running carbon free nuclear plant was recently shut down since it was no longer profitable.
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Old 07-03-2019, 05:01 PM
 
Location: Northern Wisconsin
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My son has commented several times, that if they were really serious about global warming, nuclear is the simple answer.
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Old 07-04-2019, 08:20 AM
 
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Nuclear power is much much safer than it was 30-40 years ago and wouldn't mind a couple as the life span is long and does produce a decent amount of power which is going to be needed if people are going to buy more electric cars. Right now we don't even close to enough charging stations to take care of the ones we have. I don't mind having alternative sources of power but the realism is that you will still need fossil fuels for quite a while yet.
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Old 07-05-2019, 07:35 AM
 
Location: Northern Wisconsin
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There is a new solar project in the works in Ca that makes this point. They are starting a project where solar with batteries will supply 7% of the power for LA. But will not go on line till 2023. The rest of LA's power will continue to be supplied by gas and hydro.
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Old 07-05-2019, 10:57 AM
 
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From my layman's perspective, 2050 is reasonable timeframe. Battery technology improves every year, I would imagine the ability to store renewable energy will far greater in even ten years. Think about electric vehicles, they were a crude technology a decade ago, now the Model 3 outsells every luxury vehicle by a huge margin. I think the big push for electric vehicles will come around the mid 2020's, at that point it will start to feel silly if we still rely natural gas or coal for electricity.
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Old 07-06-2019, 01:20 PM
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Location: Up North
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Finding alternative ways to produce energy is great, however, we do need to go in with eyes wide open realizing that no resource we’ve come up with so far is full proof.
Only drastically changing lifestyles would really make the kind of dent environmentalists are looking for.
Moving to warmer regions with greater dependency on artificial climate control, centering our lives around electronic everything, and going to all electric cars really doesn’t strike me as being a huge improvement over what we’ve been doing.
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Old 07-11-2019, 07:45 AM
 
Location: Northern Wisconsin
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Average people have no interest in electric cars. The price is way out of line. Most people with truely average incomes buy used cars. A Prius with 100,000 miles isnt going to get a lot of interest if it might soon need a 3,000 dollar battery replacement soon.
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