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Old 09-01-2020, 04:13 PM
 
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I'm not sure how you justify 7 shots to the back when 1 would have been more than enough. Also, try explaining to the court why there were 3 cops there, yet they couldn't overpower him as a group. Lol. Whatever happened to hitting someone over the head with a baton? The police know Jacob Blake & know where he lives, so if there actually was a struggle, why not let him go & arrest him later? Why so quick to reach for the trigger? That's the question everybody wants to know. That's why people are protesting.
There would be no protests in Kenosha right now if the cops handled this better.


He doesn't, but I want to know how you came up with the thought he does.
See post #25.
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Old 09-01-2020, 10:21 PM
 
Location: Wisco Disco
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Why don't YOU do some homework. The guy had a half dozen felonies prior dealing with spousal abuse. This call he got nailed for was a Domestic Violence call dude. Those are known nationally as the #1 most volatile calls a police officer will go on, and the most likely they will be injured or killed. Bottom line is when you're pulled over by a cop you are to be courteous and listen to their request. Being an arse will get you in trouble real quick no matter what. If you're hopped up on drugs (like our friend in Minnesota was along with his laundry list of prior arrests) it sure does complicate the results as well. These incidences have been magnified beyond imagination for the purpose of division thanks to the Demo's. I can't wait till the court date happens and they bring forth the video that was supposedly taken on the passenger side of the car where he fought off 2 tazer attempts and headed towards the driver seat which had a knife present. You guys just want to exonerate proven criminals elevating their status to fit the purpose of making the BLM credible. If you knew who was funding the BLM you might think again. But oh yeah, I forgot you're one of the many brainwashed by the Left Media doing a great job of bringing the Socialist Movement forward courtesy of the funding from ole' George Soros.
I didn't see your link to support your proffer. So far you have nothing.
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Old 09-01-2020, 10:49 PM
 
Location: A Place With REAL People
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I didn't see your link to support your proffer. So far you have nothing.
https://www.rt.com/usa/498867-kenosh...iminal-record/
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Old 09-02-2020, 09:32 AM
 
Location: Wisco Disco
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international television network funded by the Russian federal tax budget. It operates pay television channels directed to audiences outside of Russia, as well as providing Internet content in English, Spanish, French, German, Arabic, and Russian.???
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Old 09-02-2020, 09:34 AM
 
Location: Wisco Disco
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That doesn't support you claims. Read it.
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Old 09-02-2020, 03:36 PM
 
Location: A Place With REAL People
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My my aren't we fussy.

https://www.newsweek.com/jacob-black...ooting-1527708

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...ustified.html#!

https://dailycaller.com/2020/08/25/p...blake-kenosha/

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/jac...sexual-assault

I could go on and on but won't waste my time if someone needs volumes to support the fact the guy was a thug as those before that were shot would have their arrest records show. These people are NOT angels to say the least and incited the results they got. Half a brain is all it takes to avoid such altercations. But these types prefer the altercation and get what they asked for
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Old 09-02-2020, 06:11 PM
 
Location: Evanston, Lake Forest, and Wrigleyville, Illinois
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I don't see these people as being exalted as heroes, in the way that you're suggesting.

If anything, they are being celebrated as everyday people (in many cases, everyday Black men) who, in spite of their many imperfections, are average folks trying to get by in the world.

From that perspective, people aren't less human because they have a "record."

When an incident like this happens, not everyone is jumping online to look at the person's record and history first before deciding if that person "deserved" to be shot, or before deciding that the person was "expendable."

People wonder if there may have been a less violent way of settling the matter. In retrospect, there seem to have been other options besides shooting the person 7 times. If a gun needed to be used, perhaps just one shot would have sufficed? Why 7?

Blake resisted arrest. Why didn't he simply surrender himself when asked to do so? Or: Why didn't he, possessed by the heat of the moment and by his own emotions swirling around and controlling him, have the ability to step away from his angry self and surrender?

We may not like it, but people become possessed by their emotions. This is a human trait. I've seen it on the streets at times, when folks go into "road rage" mode. There's usually shouting, sometimes a guy gets out and hits the car or tries to hit the other driver. Some people grow up in households like this. That's "normal" for some people. And they carry along the tradition when they get older. Sad but true.

Many of these people, under ordinary circumstances, are probably fine enough. They may be parents, siblings, sons and daughters, friends, and colleagues to people. Maybe someone you chat with in line at the supermarket. Blake apparently is.

Many people forget that the police officer is human, too. Did he feel threatened? Was he thinking that this would be his final day on Earth? That he didn't do enough for his family before his own possible death? Did this feeling not go away after the fourth or fifth or sixth shot? Was he thinking racist thoughts at the time? Did he go into automatic pilot mode, or war combat mode, and just let 'er rip? What was he trained to do, anyhow? Was he trained for this type of confrontation? Is it standard procedure to react the way he did? Would he have treated a white guy resisting arrest in exactly the same way?

We don't know the answers to most of these questions, and probably never will.

I know it's easy for people on the sidelines to say "That guy is scum!" and dehumanize him (Blake as well as the officer).

Maybe so, but they're really just average people, pretty much. This sort of confrontation seems to happen a lot with Blacks on the receiving side of shots fired. Some Blacks even find this sort of thing on a regular basis in their own homes or in their own neighborhoods. Unfortunately, in some places, violence and aggression are just a way of life.

This is one of the reasons some people are memorializing people such as Blake. For a lot of folks, he's "just another criminal Black man." For others, he's more complicated--someone who's trapped in a weird social and personal web of circumstances, and who--for all his faults--has, or may have had, some redeeming features. This doesn't fit the "law and order" narrative.

And many people in the Black community have seen this dance play out generation after generation.

Many others have seen or perceived unjust social treatment before--Native Americans continue to get the shaft, many Hispanic people encounter it, and a few Asian groups, too. There has been a white underclass on these shores since colonial times. But that doesn't (or shouldn't) detract from the strange and unique Black experience in America.

Not everything is racist and race-related in the U.S. these days, but some things are. If Kyle Rittenhouse had been a Black teen walking around Kenosha waving his rifle that night, would the police merely have waved at him and moved along? I really doubt it.

A lot of people think that Blacks just "need to get over it" and become "productive citizens." Many do. In fact, most do. But not all are convinced. Many know that "separate but (not fully) equal" is still the rule of thumb.

These are some of the reasons some people are making a big deal of Blake and people like him. A lot of people have empathy. They see themselves embodied in him, problems and all.
It's an insult to compare these people to 'average black men.' Average black men do not have long criminal rap sheets.
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Old 09-02-2020, 07:44 PM
 
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It's an insult to compare these people to 'average black men.' Average black men do not have long criminal rap sheets.
I couldn't agree with you more. I've had several very close black friends along the years. They were compassionate, intelligent and motivated folks. They do NOT fit the "victim mold" that so many want to portray. They had motivating and strong parents that monitored their lives and made sure they got an education......what I consider the KEY element to success in anyone's lives. They didn't have a mean bone in their bodies. Unlike those that grow up without decent fathers, or drug mothers where they get involved with gangs and drugs and feel selling drugs is the easy street to a good life. Considering gangs their true family and harboring negative feelings to most if not many people that had nothing to do with their demise. It's a sad narrative to say the least, but until it's broken the wide divide between the African Americans and others will remain. As well as their tendencies towards significant criminal records. Whites are NO different. Crap parents = Crap lives.
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Old 09-02-2020, 09:50 PM
 
Location: Bay View, Milwaukee
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It's an insult to compare these people to 'average black men.' Average black men do not have long criminal rap sheets.
I'm not saying they do. Most people have imperfections, though, and a lot of "average" people get caught manifesting those imperfections. Many don't get caught, though, or we turn a blind eye.

There are a lot of people looking at Jacob Blake's life and thinking "Horrible Person!" and "Scum!", but he's just one of the people (regardless of race) who got caught.

A lot of the pearl-clutchers have their own story to tell, but as long as they don't get caught, they can pretend to be morally superior and cast judgments. A lot of these people like to run for public office, it seems....

Jacob Blake is no angel and hasn't been perfect, and his public record attests to that, but I don't think he's a monster. He's not Charles Manson or Jeffrey Dahmer or anything at that level.

But nowadays, for some on the left, he's a sort of noble figure; for the far right, he's a demon who "deserved" at least seven gunshots. The truth more likely lies in the middle: like most people, he's complicated.

IMO, that's a human for you.

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Old 09-03-2020, 10:33 AM
 
Location: Wisco Disco
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My my aren't we fussy.

https://www.newsweek.com/jacob-black...ooting-1527708

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...ustified.html#!

https://dailycaller.com/2020/08/25/p...blake-kenosha/

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/jac...sexual-assault

I could go on and on but won't waste my time if someone needs volumes to support the fact the guy was a thug as those before that were shot would have their arrest records show. These people are NOT angels to say the least and incited the results they got. Half a brain is all it takes to avoid such altercations. But these types prefer the altercation and get what they asked for
Once again you fail. None of those links contain any criminal convictions. What exactly do you think he was ever convicted of? You don't need to present 'volumes' but you need to present something that supports the false claim you made. Admit you are wrong, or prove your claim, or just go away .
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