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At a time when he should have already imposed quarantine/isolation on ANYONE entering the country. total miserable abject fail. How many dead are acceptable? How about all 'survivors' those with long term issues ?? Get your head out of your rectum.
While many want to simplistically blame politics for NY's miserable CoViD record ( Cuomo's "NH decision"), we must have more data to claim such. There are probably multiple factors. The NH thing is certainly one of the more gravely (no pun intended) unwise decisions.
All roads lead to NYC.
The city is a magnet for international tourism & business travel. Trump had the dilemma of needing to shut down travel from Europe, but not wanting to lock out Americans from their homeland, he set a deadline to get home, but that merely ensured a rush of travelers not properly screened (not really possible at that point anyway) nor appropriately quarantined.
BTW- while your command of the data and ability to form logical conclusions are enough in doubt already, your particular rhetorical style doesn't add to your credibility.
At a time when he should have already imposed quarantine/isolation on ANYONE entering the country. total miserable abject fail. How many dead are acceptable? How about all 'survivors' those with long term issues ?? Get your head out of your rectum.
man- you are speaking with zero logic AND your partisanship shows through loud and clear.
The reality is NO government entity, especially a position as limited as the President of the United States, could realistically predetermine outcomes of a fast moving, NEW TO WORLD, scenario.
Presidents get too much credit and too much blame when certain types of **** hits the fan. Especially during Election years when any sort of logic, common sense and realism is tossed out the window.
man- you are speaking with zero logic AND your partisanship shows through loud and clear.
The reality is NO government entity, especially a position as limited as the President of the United States, could realistically predetermine outcomes of a fast moving, NEW TO WORLD, scenario.
Presidents get too much credit and too much blame when certain types of **** hits the fan. Especially during Election years when any sort of logic, common sense and realism is tossed out the window.
Remove head from own rectum please.
Taiwan, South Korea, New Zealand, Japan were all far better prepared for this than we were. Also, they wear masks.
.... were all far better prepared for this than we were. .
Please document that conclusion with data sourced from somewhere other than your imagination.
It's very difficult to compare the experiences of different countries when they differ so widely in terms of genetic diversity & demographics, travel patterns, patterns of social interaction etc etc.
With death rates from Covid only varying by ~1% from the best countries to the worst, it's a pretty tough call to say one country's handling of things or preparedness is superior to another's.
In terms of infection rates, check the data-- those with high early rates now have lower rates, and those that had low early rates are now catching up.....No new infectious disease with a high incidence comes "under control" until a significant portion of the population has been exposed and has recovered. Epidemiology 101.
While you're at it, please document research that proves the hypothesis that mask wearing prevents the spread of this disease....We've already cited the studies that prove it doesn't.
Trying to keep this discussion about WI-- Can we explain why our CoViD death rate is less than 1%, even better than New Zealand? Is it the beer & Brandy Alexanders? Is it our obsession with guns & hunting? Is it because we have a relatively low population of African Americans (genetic differences in ACE Receptors) ?
We could go on and on about what makes us unique, but probably the most important thing is that it looks like the background rate for endemic CoV incidence is only about 5%, so a "huge change" of 50% in new infections is really only a 2% change in the overall incidence rate. Big deal.
Please document that conclusion with data sourced from somewhere other than your imagination.
It's very difficult to compare the experiences of different countries when they differ so widely in terms of genetic diversity & demographics, travel patterns, patterns of social interaction etc etc.
With death rates from Covid only varying by ~1% from the best countries to the worst, it's a pretty tough call to say one country's handling of things or preparedness is superior to another's.
If you look at it from a global and statistical perspective, perhaps. But from a closer, country-by-country and region-by-region perspective, it's clear that some places have handled it better than others. China seems to have largely controlled the virus, and their economy is starting to surge right now.
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In terms of infection rates, check the data-- those with high early rates now have lower rates, and those that had low early rates are now catching up.....No new infectious disease with a high incidence comes "under control" until a significant portion of the population has been exposed and has recovered. Epidemiology 101.
Some places (such as Spain) have seen a significant resurgence of Covid-driven illnesses and deaths.
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While you're at it, please document research that proves the hypothesis that mask wearing prevents the spread of this disease....We've already cited the studies that prove it doesn't.
Studies? You've cited one. It's a compelling study indeed, but also compelling are the many more studies that support mask-wearing. I don't know too many scientists who stake their beliefs in an issue on one study. The better scientists, I imagine, would want to review further studies (refined, replicated) that break from the norm, and they would want to try to reconcile the disparate studies on both sides to attain a more precise understanding of things.
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Trying to keep this discussion about WI-- Can we explain why our CoViD death rate is less than 1%, even better than New Zealand? Is it the beer & Brandy Alexanders? Is it our obsession with guns & hunting? Is it because we have a relatively low population of African Americans (genetic differences in ACE Receptors) ?
New Zealand has a population of ~4,886,000 people and something like 25 Covid-related deaths.
Wisconsin has a population of ~5,822,000 people and something like 1,776 Covid-related deaths.
The rate for each place is very low, but NZ clearly has a much lower CVD-related death rate.
As you note, there are many reasons for this, including some (but not all) beyond any government's control.
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While you're at it, please document research that proves the hypothesis that mask wearing prevents the spread of this disease....We've already cited the studies that prove it doesn't.
Just to clarify: Is this the study that you're referring to?
I looked to see if you referenced other studies, but only found this one.
It's interesting that this study says the following:
«Direction, ventilation, and intensity of airflow might affect virus transmission, even if social distancing measures and mask use are implemented according to current guidance. Masks cannot be effectively worn while eating and drinking, whereas shopping and numerous other indoor activities do not preclude mask use.» (1259-60)
«To help slow the spread of SARS-CoV-2, precautions should be implemented to stay home once exposed to someone with COVID-19,** in addition to adhering to recommendations to wash hands often, wear masks, and social distance.††If a family member or other close contact is ill, additional prevention measures can be taken to reduce transmission, such as cleaning and disinfecting the home, reducing shared meals and items, wearing gloves, and wearing masks, for those with and without known COVID-19.» (1260)
«Continued assessment of various types of activities and exposures as communities, schools, and workplaces reopen is important. Exposures and activities where mask use and social distancing are difficult to maintain, including going to locations that offer on-site eating and drinking, might be important risk factors for SARS-CoV-2 infection. Implementing safe practices to reduce exposures to SARS-CoV-2 during on-site eating and drinking should be considered to protect customers, employees, and communities and slow the spread of COVID-19.» (1261-62)
[Noteworthy text is in bold]
These statements suggest that the study has a more nuanced stance toward mask-wearing than you seem to claim. It says that various indoor activities "do not preclude mask use," and it generically endorses mask-wearing. It also intimates that more research is needed.
Once again: N95 masks block 95% of particles virus sized. Surgical masks block 80%. That means wearing a surgical mask will allow enough viruses thru to infect you about once in every 5 exposures to the bugs. Would you do a spacewalk in a space suit that suffered lethal leaks once in every five uses?....False sense of security with surgical masks.....I find no studies published showing advantages of mask wearing. We are suggesting their use based on "common sense." ..We also once thought pre-frontal lobotomy was a good idea.
Do you believe data from China?
Annual tourism, NYC alone-- 40 million....Annual tourism, all of NZ-- 1.5 million; NZ has 5000 registered cars & trucks- 1 per 1000 capita; They have Inter City Bus Service that brags of 100 busses connecting 600 towns daily. Wow! They sure do get around... ).Check the cumulative case graph for NZ-- slow at first, now catching up (QED) https://www.bing.com/search?q=new+ze...ANAB01&PC=U531
NZ didn't see it's first case until the very end of Feb-- a full month after the US.
You can't compare evolving infection rates in a meaningful way for such widely diverse situations.
BTW- "slowing the spread" is not "preventing the spread." It only means we are at risk over a longer period of time.
man- you are speaking with zero logic AND your partisanship shows through loud and clear.
The reality is NO government entity, especially a position as limited as the President of the United States, could realistically predetermine outcomes of a fast moving, NEW TO WORLD, scenario.
Presidents get too much credit and too much blame when certain types of **** hits the fan. Especially during Election years when any sort of logic, common sense and realism is tossed out the window.
Remove head from own rectum please.
Biden did not want a ban on chinese coming in!!!!!! I wonder why!!!!! Coumo killed 11,000!! I guess you disregard that. And guess what else, it's the China virus! The people the dems gave our manufacturing to starting in the 90's with Bill!
Once again: N95 masks block 95% of particles virus sized. Surgical masks block 80%. That means wearing a surgical mask will allow enough viruses thru to infect you about once in every 5 exposures to the bugs. Would you do a spacewalk in a space suit that suffered lethal leaks once in every five uses?....False sense of security with surgical masks.....I find no studies published showing advantages of mask wearing. We are suggesting their use based on "common sense." ..We also once thought pre-frontal lobotomy was a good idea.
The study you cited doesn't rule out the effectiveness of mask-wearing in various indoor circumstances. Other studies (posted and/or referenced here) suggest that masks can be somewhat effective.
Is it a slam dunk for wearing masks, then? No, but it isn't a slam dunk against them, either.
Wearing a mask is a very easy thing to do, and it may be helpful. And wearing a mask is nothing like getting a pre-frontal lobotomy: lobotomies are permanent, physically invasive, etc. Mask-wearing doesn't come close to that kind of intrusion.
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Do you believe data from China?
That's why I said "seems," but I'm not just going by reported data. I have several friends in mainland China who are teaching English at schools, and they have been sharing their observed experience with me (and other friends) via emails.
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BTW- "slowing the spread" is not "preventing the spread." It only means we are at risk over a longer period of time.
It depends on when and if a vaccine and/or treatments become available. The longer this goes on, the more likely a vaccine will help in stabilizing the situation.
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