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Old 11-10-2020, 02:49 PM
 
Location: Milwaukee, WI
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Public assistance? That would include people receiving unemployment benefits, right? Social security recipients? Not very nice, especially during a pandemic. Also not very nice if it refers to people on welfare, etc.

If this idea applies to people who don't pay taxes, would that just apply to public assistance recipients, or all people who don't pay taxes? That could wind up disenfranchising the current occupant of the White House.



As far as "not very nice" - people depending on welfare and not paying taxes should not demand more taxes to feed them from people who do pay taxes. Simple idea, no ? Ordering other people to give more money to them without paying your own share is not simply "not nice", it's plain theft or robbery.



As far as details go - we could work out those.
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Old 11-10-2020, 04:08 PM
 
Location: Rural Wisconsin
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I think there were more signs for both parties this year. There were tons of Trump signs up through the Fox Valley and into lower Door County, and a few displays were pretty shocking to say the least. I saw a few trucks with "castrate liberals" stickers and homes with "f your feelings" flags.

North of Egg Harbor in Door County was mostly Biden.

I did see a few Biden signs in some rural areas where there were no Clinton signs four years ago. Madison was a sea of Biden signs, far more than 2016.
I live in north Door (west side), and most of the signs I saw were south of us, which makes sense as Sturgeon Bay is by far the most populated town in Door. However, what bothered me was that early in the campaign, I saw quite a few of the Trump signs defaced (just X'ed out) along Highway 42/57, and the Republican headquarters was graffitied which shocked me as Door County is so peaceful. Along the west side, I think Biden signs slightly outnumbered the Trump signs, and I also saw a few "Black Lives Matter" signs. I personally did not see ANY of the signs you mentioned anywhere on trucks or homes, for which I am very grateful. (I mainly drive on County Road G and Highway 42, and we have driven to Green Bay about six times since July, but that's it.)

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There have been a couple of studies that show yard signs can sway a small percentage of the electorate. It makes sense when you consider some people vote for whoever they perceive to be the most popular among their friends and community.
The following link says that 1.7% might be swayed. So, yes, a quite small percentage, I think.

https://www.politico.com/story/2015/...-effect-217166

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Old 11-10-2020, 04:18 PM
 
Location: Bay View, Milwaukee
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I live in north Door (west side), and most of the signs I saw were in south of us, which makes sense as Sturgeon Bay is by far the most populated town. However, what bothered me was that early in the campaign, I saw quite a few of the Trump signs defaced (just X'ed out) and the Republican headquarters was graffitied which shocked me as Door County is so peaceful. Along the west side, I think Biden signs slightly outnumbered the Trump signs. I also saw a few "Black Lives Matter" signs. (I mainly drive on County Road G and Highway 42, and we have driven to Green Bay about six times since July, but that's it.) I personally did not see ANY of the signs you mentioned anywhere on trucks or homes, for which I am very grateful.
Around here I saw several defaced Trump/Pence signs, but they seemed to be on Biden/Harris properties, so I gather these weren't acts of vandalism, but rather "legit" attempts to make statements.

Lake Drive in Milwaukee's North Shore looked like The Biden Trail, though I'm guessing that at least some of the houses without signs supported Trump/Pence but maybe didn't feel comfortable displaying that.

In Washington County and in a couple of other rural areas I saw a few huuuumungous Trump/Pence signs (really, murals) on the sides of barns and garages.

I'm glad that part of the process is over.... I've never been too fond of ads and billboards and other such signage.
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Old 11-10-2020, 06:51 PM
 
Location: Wisco Disco
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Joe won. Deal with it
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Old 11-10-2020, 09:42 PM
 
Location: A Place With REAL People
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As far as "not very nice" - people depending on welfare and not paying taxes should not demand more taxes to feed them from people who do pay taxes. Simple idea, no ? Ordering other people to give more money to them without paying your own share is not simply "not nice", it's plain theft or robbery.
That would be absolutely RIGHT. As for Social Security, in at least MY case, I paid into in consistently over 55 years that I worked so it ain't "welfare" by any means. Somebody needs to get their "entitlement" mentality cleared out. If I hadn't paid for that all my working life and instead had a side policy saving that money I'd have been even better off.
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Old 11-11-2020, 09:11 AM
 
Location: The Driftless Area, WI
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That would be absolutely RIGHT. As for Social Security, in at least MY case, I paid into in consistently over 55 years that I worked so it ain't "welfare" by any means. Somebody needs to get their "entitlement" mentality cleared out. If I hadn't paid for that all my working life and instead had a side policy saving that money I'd have been even better off.
I too paid into The System for 50+ yrs (mostly self-employed, so I paid double). IF I'm lucky enough to live to age 85, I'll get back (@only $2300/m) just about what I paid in...Had they left me to invest my contributions by myself for myself, I figure I'd be sitting on a lump worth ~$7,000,000 now-- with the ability to leave the remainder that I don't blow to my heirs.

In 1936 when The Dems passed SS (both GOPs in Congress voted against it) life expectancy was only 67 yrs. We (you youngsters) need a new system.
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Old 11-11-2020, 06:56 PM
 
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Around here I saw several defaced Trump/Pence signs, but they seemed to be on Biden/Harris properties, so I gather these weren't acts of vandalism, but rather "legit" attempts to make statements.

Lake Drive in Milwaukee's North Shore looked like The Biden Trail, though I'm guessing that at least some of the houses without signs supported Trump/Pence but maybe didn't feel comfortable displaying that.

In Washington County and in a couple of other rural areas I saw a few huuuumungous Trump/Pence signs (really, murals) on the sides of barns and garages.

I'm glad that part of the process is over.... I've never been too fond of ads and billboards and other such signage.
I saw a handful of Trump signs in the North Shore. It was mostly Biden though. I live in Glendale but right before the election I drove through River Hills and Brown Deer, and almost all Biden.
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Old 11-14-2020, 09:10 AM
 
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We finally have a real president and then these clowns come along. Biden picking kamala because she is half black helped him, but the thing is Trump got blacks jobs and gave them their self-esteem back. obama gave them No jobs and welfare. Trump tried so hard to bring this across to them.

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Old 11-14-2020, 12:29 PM
 
Location: Bay View, Milwaukee
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We finally have a real president and then these clowns come along. Biden picking kamala because she is half black helped him, but the thing is Trump got blacks jobs and gave them their self-esteem back. obama gave them No jobs and welfare. Trump tried so hard to bring this across to them.

Black unemployment declined under both Obama and Trump:

https://www.jec.senate.gov/public/_c...2020-final.pdf
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Old 11-14-2020, 01:04 PM
 
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Black unemployment declined under both Obama and Trump:

https://www.jec.senate.gov/public/_c...2020-final.pdf
https://www.whitehouse.gov/articles/...-hits-new-low/
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